Hey guys just curious how often people are being used on SC on this fleet? I’d be a commuter and was just curious how often reserves are used and or placed on SC. Just trying to get an idea.

 

Which fleet?

Doesn't matter which fleet because the answer is "its always changing".

Not too long ago during my NYC NB FO days, my fleet was so overmanned that only 2 greenslips when out the entire month of Dec (up until Dec 20th) and I sat long call the entire month at home...not a single SC assigned nor was I assigned a single rotation...six months later, there were 6-9 greenies going out every day and rolling thunder was plentifu, but RES pilots were getting abused on their on-call days.

 

Hi I've got a class date next month and was wondering how long the break was between indoc and fleet training.
I heard that the narrowbody fleet B737 and A320 has some backlog and was looking to see how it's been for recent new hires.

 

Average right now is anywhere from 7 days (which is the minimum guarantee) to 3 weeks.

 

Nope. Given the status quo or the former age 60 limit, I’d definitely take the latter. Even with all the “look how many people leave at 60” take a look at the seniority list if it only had folks 59 and younger on it…and the hiring we would have been doing in the lead-up years. Wow.

[Yes, I know this isn’t what everyone would want for themselves, and lucky for those folks it’s also not our current reality].

 

Well, going back to 60 ain’t an option, so not sure why that came to your mind…? Or did I miss something?

And my point was (in part), the older in absolute age pilots get, the slope steepens of those who retire or lose their medical. Said another way, there will be more “early” SL departures in 2 years going to 67 than there were in 5 years going to 65. And, that lower impact will be felt in good hiring environment, vs the double whammy of the late 2000’s

 

It came to mind because it’s an easy exercise to see how much filtering by age affects the seniority list. Some fun with excel can easily demonstrate where an extension to 67 will hurt most. I don’t think bidding trends would change, so people can take a look exactly where coveted spots will (continue to) be held by the longest-in-teeth.

And you can’t get any more “early” departures than the status quo - it only gets worse with an extension.

My main concern remains…the current hiring environment and current impact of the proposed shift are nearly irrelevant. Resetting FOREVER how long a pilot is expected to work before reaching their desired zenith is bad for the industry and bad for Delta pilots. Even if it’s “less bad” than a jump to 65, or is mitigated by a hiring bubble…it’s still very bad for all but a few.

 

Have you checked out the new hiring process thread?

DL Hiring: New Process

 

Ted, normally I’m in agreement with you, maybe we are just taking past each other a little bit. On this one, Im not sure I would agree with these two things, at least not entirely.

To the first one, sure you can. That’s not true at all. Even with an unlimited age, at some point every single pilot is going to be UNABLE to hold a class 1. Heart attacks, DVT, back issues, diabetes, cancer, whatever. That curve only gets steeper. There will absolutely be more people losing their medical between 65-67 than 63-65 for example. Statistical inevitability. And the upside is that for people who legitimately lose their medical, they get more years of 50%FAE. Not only that, but there are already people who retire with a perfectly good medical before 65. There is no doubt there will be a number who won’t go past 65. There is no way to know how meaningful a number that is, but it will be > 0.

To the second point. If you mean by that it will take longer to climb over the WB A wall, or that if you have a number in mind for yourself short of 65, you won’t have the same seniority, well okay. But if you meant the words you actually used, that’s not true. There are plenty of people who will retire early completely irrespective of proximity to the mandatory retirement age. They are just ‘ready’. They are tired, made enough $, or have a spouse who demands it.

At the end of the day, I just don’t see it being nearly as big a deal as 60-65 was. The fundamentals are totally different with the economy, state of the industry, and hiring environment.

 

Anyone got that latest vacancy award? Wondering what are the WB CA upgrade time currently at DL
I’m sure the trend is to go down initially and than go up, but will it get to 20-30 years like AA?