I've been buying Calvin Klein Suit Separates pants from Macy's for about the last 15 years. Usually about $100/pair, tailoring included (for those of you that care. But let's not open THAT can o' worms lol) Look great, very cool and comfortable, hold a crease well and extremely durable. Really hoping they can match the color on the new uniforms 🙏

For those in the know- will we be required to choose between one or the other with regard to the new jacket options? Is the double breasted going away at some point???

Old uniform shirt grey from age with pit stains and it's like cheesecloth it's so old, quadruple knit polyester uniform pants that are shiny from wear, and are snapping in the breeze because they're ankle height, and trashed out shoes that last saw a buffing cloth in 1993 are all OK because they're "official". But a smart jacket that no one will ever see is a no go. That's the world these guys live in.

Going forward both single- and double-breasted will be allowed. So there's goes the concept of "uniformity" out the window, although that flew out the window with the FA's a long time ago. When it come to the new uniforms each pilot will be able to choose which one they want. One poll I saw showed roughly 2/3 were going to opt for double and 1/3 were single.

Thank you for validating my post. I know you don’t want to believe that you’re “that guy”, it’s a hard pill to swallow. Have fun making it through the SEA terminals handing out uniform demerits! Should be fun!

As a captain, I don’t / won’t “enforce” that.

During the mask mandate I was talking to a FA at another carrier about all the drama that it's causing with the passengers. I really liked her approach: "I'm an informer, not an enforcer."

I wear my North Face jacket from my car to the gate area exclusively in winter. Then, near the gate, I put it away and pull my actual uniform jacket and hat out of the suitcase and pack the North Face away.

I'm not waiting for an employee bus in the parking lot in sub-freezing weather wearing an outfit meant for indoor heated building use. Nor am I wearing a hat on my head for the following 20 minutes on the way to the gate.

The SEA CPO can EABOD. There is nothing wrong with wearing a north face on a DH or in the airport as long as you aren't wearing your hat. The CPO doesn't get to make up rules especially when they quoted the rule immediately before making up a new one.. There is nothing against the FOM with wearing your uniform shirt under another indistinguishable outer garment.

You don't wear your hat on your commute?!

Hey Neidermeyer, are you the bastard child of the RD LCA that came to MSP when the 88 came to MSP? This yahoo was going around the terminal walking up to pilots demanding they put their hats on. He was told to F off so many times the base chief pilot had to call the 88 Chief line check pilot and tell him to reign this idiot in or he will be kicked out of the base.

There will also be a transition period. For months we will see both old and new. We will go from iconic to "who do you fly for?" This will get interesting on the 3 man crews. Individuality rules. I'd carry all 3 just to be the counterculture representative. :cool:

Will captains be issued a uniform card that has all the acceptable variants? If i'm going to enforce this I need to know what combinations are acceptable? BTW are pink T shirts and jeans limited to certain days like weekends? Enforcement must be uniform!

Funny because I often get "are you a policeman" questions even with our current uniform.

I’ve only had that one while wearing the hat. As soon as I stopped wearing the hat, problem solved.

I have seen this combo out in the wild. I can assure you that there is something that makes it seem phenomenally wrong.

I've had passengers think I'm a skycap and try to check their bags with me outside the terminal when I'm waiting for the hotel van. So much for "iconic".

I keep thinking back to an old terrorism awareness video where we were told you could spot them by ethnicity and uniform inconsistency. Two men of middle eastern descent strolling through the airport, one wearing a single breasted jacket and one wearing a double. One was wearing raybans inside and one wasn't. Oh the laughs we enjoyed. My best friend at a regional, crashpad roommate and new hire training counterpart was persian born in Iran. His family fled when the Shah was overthrown. Probably the most westernized pro-american family and all became naturalized U.S. citizens. He watched the film with me and had great commentary. The first was that anyone who seriously meant harm wouldn't make such an amature mistake. (they would study the situation for a long time) Just letting everyone know how "profesional" we will look.

That entire video's premise is completely absurd. Especially now when it takes 3-5 ID checks to get to an airplane. And what are you going to do if you see someone not in a uniform you recognize? Are you calling the anti-terror police? You know how many fractional pilots fly our airplanes in full uniform that I don't recognize?

In the terminal, I completely agree with you (unless all uniform/identifiable items, including the tie, are hidden).

On a walk around, out of sight of everyone who can tell who you are, I’ll keep it clean and say you can keep your opinion to yourself. I truly don’t understand your odd obsession with that. But I always fly with my favorite captain, so…

lol, I got asked for ice cream from a 7 year old. The mom said I looked like the good humor Ice cream salesman.

Until I get to remove a FA with a purple Mohawk I WILL NOT enforce a dress code on my FO’s.

You got some real heartburn with purple mohawk person.

Right. If they do their job well, who cares what their hair looks like

Apparently our company does. Point out to us in one onboard video, sky hub, Delta Net home page, the media posters adorning our check in/gate areas/jet birdges etc. where there is a photo of the "purple" mohawk. I'll help you out. None. Management here do care about the "image"

BTW why do keep calling your former regional a "shop". Been in the biz for a few decades and we stopped using "shop" circa '91. You part of the plumbers union or something?

I'm pretty sure I only said it once and it was on response to someone else who used it. Does that make you feel bad?

Serious question....before you leave the house for your next rotation you check the local forecasts and see rain at every airport...what do you do?

It's summer....you brining the double breasted out of hibernation to wear on the walk arounds so you will be 100% FOM compliant? (Assuming Capt bluejuice71 does walk around on FO legs)

Umbrella?

Trench Coat?

Of you just dong the preflight in your white button down shirt?

“Yes”

“And I have qualified immunity and enjoy the privileges/remunerative benefits /perks of asset forfeiture.”

“Was that more than 3.5 oz of PB&J I saw in your carry on?”

Absolutely no Trench coats. I have seen North Face (or similar), and also a black stuff-able waterproof windbreaker. You’ll be fine with one of those as long as you limit it to walk arounds. Don’t get drenched, that’s just stupid. And for heavens sake, don’t wear it in the terminal with your hat.

I saw one pilot in the terminal with his safety vest and hat on pulling his overnight bags. Epic.

He’s smart. You probably have a higher chance of getting run over by those electric carts in the terminal than you do a baggage tug.

Thread Drift Alert!

One of my new favorite things to do is to watch the electric carts with the new blue light that shines down on the floor approach unsuspecting people completely engrossed in their phones and oblivious to their surroundings. I’ve seen some trips, a scream, and one girl startled enough to drop her phone.

I can say I have seen a few times the north face with the hat. A bridge too far, my opinion.

I saw one where the light shines behind the cart. Great idea

Absolutely. I'd like to attribute it to ignorance in a NH which can be easily corrected, but I flew with a SLI last winter who wore a big Columbia jacket and wore the hat. Totally unsat.

The uniform refresh is a golden opportunity for the company to finally give us a FUNCTIONAL winter jacket option (looking at SWA, for example), but they will not take it, and will continue to force a round peg in a square hole.

In the meantime, they leave the masses with no choice but to wear a smattering of (hopefully black) jackets on walk-arounds and in Transportation vans.

I really could care less. I just use it as an example of how ridiculous it would be to make an issue of what a pilot wears while performing a walk around.
BTW I’ve flown with her a couple times. Very pleasant person and a great FA.

We’re allowed to wear a wool overcoat, correct (doesn’t have to be a trench coat)?

One of the comms a few months back BS (flight ops) said they were planning a more functional coat. I haven’t seen or heard anything since then.

They said the functional jacket would be a part of round 2 of the uniform update, so probably late 2024 at the earliest.

thanks for the update