They also mentioned a more commuter friendly hat. Which are words that have literally no meaning.

About the same time that Viasat actually has decent global coverage. Coincidence? I think not. 😁

I still think this can only mean optional or really really tinny “men on film” style. I give it 4 snaps in a Z formation

Meh.

Hard to tell my FO not to wear a north face jacket in the van in boston when I’m wearing a north face jacket in the van too.

When it’s jacket season I have the jacket. But I do my walk arounds with a real jacket. When it’s not jacket season I have a nice jacket I wear in the van and on the walkaround when I accidentally go north.

But are you wearing it with your hat?

But Fangs, why do we need winter coats? We are an air line based in Atlanta and you don't need heavy coats in Atlanta. What? You're telling me we have bases other than Atlanta?

This is why I don’t wear my hat, ever

Problem solved

Around the world, and back snap!

What ever happened to the black London Fog with the zip liner?

Yes. Black wool or wool blend, and, wait for it, single or double breasted. Another polarizing choice.

I will if I find out it’s annoying to someone

I have one of these. It looks sharp but it’s heavy to carry around all week for that one cold destination. I usually only break it out once or twice a winter.

I have one too. Looks good and covers me for all the northern winter destinations. It’s easy to throw on top of my roller bag (rollaboard?) when I don’t need it and I don’t have to sweat walking around the plane in Saskatoon. I carry it all winter and have yet to regret it, but I’m based up north and don’t bid away from snow and cold toes. I’m also not gonna do a 30° walk around in a t shirt for toughness points so it is what it is.

I’ll make my regular pitch for a leather jacket.

Easy to wear, easy to clean, makes a tolerable pillow for the commute home.

You forgot one thing: looks goofy

That never stopped leather jacket wearers in the past.

AAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY

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Now put the tie, epaulettes, wings, name tag, and a hat on him. Hyuk.

Seriously? I bring a small umbrella that fits in the side of my bag. It’s not rocket science. FO for over 15 years when it was rare that a CA did a walk around and never had any issues getting wet.

Yes serious....I even put in my post to you.

You use an umbrella when doing walk around? Well If I ever see that on the walk around I'll know it's you because I haven't see a single person use an umbrella out on the ramp.

My packable rain jackets fits into its own pocket and also fits in my bag....not rocket surgery.

Never had any issue getting wet, sans umbrella.

I also use an umbrella, so there are at least two of us

No demerits from me. However, I will say something if you are wearing a North Face jacket. And as far as being “that guy”, I couldn’t care less. Unlike the weird intrinsic need of a lot of captains today feeling like they need to be cool, I do not have that hang up. You wear what you’re boss is telling you to wear and we won’t have any issues.

We couldn’t care less about your view on the issue either. It’s a two way street.

I make three.

Honest question, so when you've got a 51 minute turn and the rain is blowing sideways with gusting winds and it;s your turn for the walk around, your taking an umbrella out into that to get turned inside out?

I own a good umbrella and never have trouble in any wind I’ve actually experienced. Your tropical storm experience may vary

I'm going to start wearing this during my rainy pre-flights...


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Yea mine does. Some years ago I remember myself hilariously trying to do a walk around with an umbrella in some pretty windy conditions, and im doing my own little miniature 360's trying to stay angled into the wind, really im just pirouetting to myself like my daughter in ballet not even looking at anything trying to survive as I do the big 360 around the plane, water rushing off the back soaking me (there I was), and im thinking, yea. No more. Black REI raincoat it is, works every time. But seriously though, send a link to a decent small, lightweight, pack-able, unobtrusive umbrella that will withstand sideways wind.

Bottom line to all of you for whatever reason keep arguing with me about jackets - who is right and who is wrong? End of story. If you feel the need to not follow FOM guidance that’s on you, but please stop encouraging new hires to go out and buy North Face jackets cuz they going to end flying with captains that are not ok with that - present company included.

Show me in the FOM where it says I can't wear a Northface while walking through the terminal..

New hires are rational adults that can make decisions on their own too.

Dude. Chill. I hate to break it to you, but if this internet tough guy persona you're using carries over to the cockpit, you're going to end up in the CPO pretty quick. The way FOs are these days with their hurt feelings, you'll be shocked when the CPO doesn't back you up. You'll be the one in the HR meeting getting a lecture for harassing them and being unprofessional.

Fly the jet. Mentor the FOs in flying and leadership. Let the CPO and HR deal with their appearance. You'd be shocked with the newhires we're seeing and how fast the culture has changed hiring 4000 pilots in the last 2 years of all backgrounds. This isn't the airline it was 5 years ago. Let it go.

Absolutely NOONE is encouraging anyone to have a NorthFace jacket mixed with any identifiable uniform items, in the terminal or otherwise. No one.

You keep taking past everyone here as if anyone is suggesting that. Exactly. Hide your hat and ID lanyard, and take off your tie (preferably), and you are completely FOM compliant walking anywhere in a zipped up NorthFace.

Funny.

I was told by a CP and in new hire to wear a jacket if you need to. Rain? Cold? Both are safety decisions.

They said try not to wear the hat with a non standard jacket, but it wasn’t high on their list of important things.

I did a walk around in YUL several years ago, dead of winter and ambient temp -20F. No overcoat or winter gear except for a black knit cap with my Guard unit’s logo. I “expedited” the second half of the walk around because half way through I could barely breath. It felt like my lungs were literally freezing. I get back in the jetway with my hat on and the captain sarcastically says, “nice hat, is that authorized in the FOM?”

We need more uniform options, specifically outerwear. Pouring rain? How professional is a soaking wet admiral’s coat that smells like a wet dog? I carry (and use) a very light/thin Northface rain jacket for these situations. -20F? How professional is a pilot who literally can’t breathe and has to urgently rush through a walk-around? Bottom line, it’s often a safety issue, and I’m not afraid to point that out to supervision if questioned.

As a global airline, we need a number of uniform options, especially since we can be in scenarios such as YUL one night and BOG the next… in January.

Blue, honestly no attempt at an argument here with you, just discussion. And specifically in regards to the FOM approved raincoat, a zip up black style type is not mentioned. Can't argue with you there. But, when is one allowed to inject a certain amount of "reasonableness" into a specific scenario in a given day, like the driving-rain walk around we have mentioned here? No one is suggesting departing with less than min fuel because you don't feel like going back to the gate, insert some other FOM/AM/Vol-1 policy here, you get the picture. I would think that if you went to work and attempted to live inside of the bullet points and lists in a given manual without any micro-flex, especially for such low hanging fruit as an inclement WX walk around, a day at work would be extremely frustrating.

Harrrrumph!!

I love how we call everything in the FOM “guidance” here, then get completely wrapped around the axle over the slightest deviation from the most trivial language in the book.

Out of a group of 20 captains, you’d be lucky to find one who is actually going to say something to an FO about a North Face jacket. And by the time a new hire finds that one captain, they’ll already be on their way to upgrade training the next week. Unless an FO is doing something unsafe, illegal, or likely to land one or both of us in trouble, they’re not going to hear from me about it. This issue doesn’t rise to any of those levels at all.

Personally, I prefer that the pilot performing the walkaround be as comfortably-dressed as possible so that they can focus on doing a good preflight. Nobody cares what type of jacket a pilot is wearing when they have an ugly neon safety vest over it anyway.

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honestly i would just laugh in any captains face that asked me to take off a jacket in cold weather. They can call mommy to come and talk to me. Id love to hear the conversation with the duty pilot why said captain wont fly with an FO “out of uniform”. Captains arent gods, plenty of goobers out there. I would be polite and respectful like an adult, i just wouldnt take it off

My LCP TODAY told me he was bringing his North Face on his next trip, “because it’s that time of year”….what if I get a highlighter yellow North Face??? Would that be safer?? 🤣
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