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12-09-2023 | 08:10 AM
#91
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Okay, lesson learned -that’s the last time I play along with someone else’s mischaracterization to make a point. Someone ELSE said it was basically arbitrated (see my original quote), and then I said (to paraphrase) “if that’s what arbitration looks like, maybe we should do it more.” I’ll do better with my sarcasm going forward.
Just so everyone can rest easy - no, I don’t think this was anything close to arbitration, and no, I wouldn’t ever intentionally choose arbitration.
Just so everyone can rest easy - no, I don’t think this was anything close to arbitration, and no, I wouldn’t ever intentionally choose arbitration.
All it did at that time was confirm negotiation fatigue on the "union's" part. They were afraid of being 'parked'.
12-09-2023 | 08:22 AM
#92
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It was an ultimatum or threat, whichever term you choose. That took it out of the realm of unbiased mediation. The clincher was how quickly after the threat was made that the company threw down said 'supposal' and left for Atlanta.
All it did at that time was confirm negotiation fatigue on the "union's" part. They were afraid of being 'parked'.
All it did at that time was confirm negotiation fatigue on the "union's" part. They were afraid of being 'parked'.
The bottom line is that ALPA was not forced to accept anything. They looked at a final offer and decided it was better than the available alternatives. The pilots later looked at the TA and also decided it was better than the alternatives. Choices were made at each step, nothing was forced.
12-09-2023 | 08:30 AM
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You could argue based on the proposals at other carriers at the time and the lack of significant leap frogging, that the supposal was biased towards us.
The bottom line is that ALPA was not forced to accept anything. They looked at a final offer and decided it was better than the available alternatives. The pilots later looked at the TA and also decided it was better than the alternatives. Choices were made at each step, nothing was forced.
The bottom line is that ALPA was not forced to accept anything. They looked at a final offer and decided it was better than the available alternatives. The pilots later looked at the TA and also decided it was better than the alternatives. Choices were made at each step, nothing was forced.
I will give you this though, UAL or AA didn't do a ****ing thing to move the process along. But that isn't unusual. American never has and UAL only has once in my career.
12-09-2023 | 08:31 AM
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The MBCBP is a DB plan, that means it's professionally managed, and as others have pointed out, it also sits in a investment trust same as the frozen NWA pension.
12-09-2023 | 09:39 AM
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I doubt the union was scared of your boogy man as much as the bar the other 2 unions were going to set much lower.
12-09-2023 | 10:30 AM
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Exactly. Look no further than AA who still didn’t exceed Delta. How many versions of a TA did UA and AA have combined? They’d have knee capped us if we went another route. Additionally, it was a reasonable offer that warranted serious consideration based on the negotiating environment.
12-09-2023 | 12:03 PM
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