MBCBP
12-09-2023, 08:10 AM
#91
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Originally Posted by TED74
Okay, lesson learned -that’s the last time I play along with someone else’s mischaracterization to make a point. Someone ELSE said it was basically arbitrated (see my original quote), and then I said (to paraphrase) “if that’s what arbitration looks like, maybe we should do it more.” I’ll do better with my sarcasm going forward.
Just so everyone can rest easy - no, I don’t think this was anything close to arbitration, and no, I wouldn’t ever intentionally choose arbitration.
Just so everyone can rest easy - no, I don’t think this was anything close to arbitration, and no, I wouldn’t ever intentionally choose arbitration.
All it did at that time was confirm negotiation fatigue on the "union's" part. They were afraid of being 'parked'.
12-09-2023, 08:22 AM
#92
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
It was an ultimatum or threat, whichever term you choose. That took it out of the realm of unbiased mediation. The clincher was how quickly after the threat was made that the company threw down said 'supposal' and left for Atlanta.
All it did at that time was confirm negotiation fatigue on the "union's" part. They were afraid of being 'parked'.
All it did at that time was confirm negotiation fatigue on the "union's" part. They were afraid of being 'parked'.
The bottom line is that ALPA was not forced to accept anything. They looked at a final offer and decided it was better than the available alternatives. The pilots later looked at the TA and also decided it was better than the alternatives. Choices were made at each step, nothing was forced.
12-09-2023, 08:30 AM
#93
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Originally Posted by bugman61
You could argue based on the proposals at other carriers at the time and the lack of significant leap frogging, that the supposal was biased towards us.
The bottom line is that ALPA was not forced to accept anything. They looked at a final offer and decided it was better than the available alternatives. The pilots later looked at the TA and also decided it was better than the alternatives. Choices were made at each step, nothing was forced.
The bottom line is that ALPA was not forced to accept anything. They looked at a final offer and decided it was better than the available alternatives. The pilots later looked at the TA and also decided it was better than the alternatives. Choices were made at each step, nothing was forced.
I will give you this though, UAL or AA didn't do a ****ing thing to move the process along. But that isn't unusual. American never has and UAL only has once in my career.
12-09-2023, 08:31 AM
#94
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
I'm actually somewhat amazed that so many are so accepting of the fact that their money is held somewhere... by somebody.. and you have no clue as to any of the particulars.
The MBCBP is a DB plan, that means it's professionally managed, and as others have pointed out, it also sits in a investment trust same as the frozen NWA pension.
12-09-2023, 09:39 AM
#96
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
If that helps you rationalize it, then good for you.
I will give you this though, UAL or AA didn't do a ****ing thing to move the process along. But that isn't unusual. American never has and UAL only has once in my career.
I will give you this though, UAL or AA didn't do a ****ing thing to move the process along. But that isn't unusual. American never has and UAL only has once in my career.
12-09-2023, 10:30 AM
#98
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
I doubt the union was scared of your boogy man as much as the bar the other 2 unions were going to set much lower.
12-09-2023, 12:03 PM
#99
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
I doubt the union was scared of your boogy man as much as the bar the other 2 unions were going to set much lower.
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