Well said.

filler

Unfortunately until the labor law is changed it is what it is. We as employees have to tread more lightly than the employer. That is the reality. You do something they deem “bad”, they fire you, get your job back in a year. Who suffered during that year? Definitely not the company. That is why having a somewhat ethical employer in this field is important, if such exists.

peach it brother. They'll learn some day.

I have no problem with our MEC not always voting in ​​lockstep. It wasn't 9-8 to approve the TA to send to a vote. And almost all the reps signed the unity letter.

Is there a new APC competition to see who can get voted into the "basket of deplorables"? Seems like "one-upmanship" for recalcitrance has reached the boiling point.

The surefire winners posts will have "Eff management, they don't respect me" combined with "Eff ALPA, they don't respect me" topped off with a dose of "Eff me, I don't respect myself for all the previous contracts that got voted in".

That about cover it? We s seem to be getting a coalition of strange bedfellows, who's sole common theme is a pizzed off attitude.:D

Chit Chat has nearly died a long overdue death. It’s mostly retired guys bickering about politics at this point. The few current posters remaining are probably looking for a new home.

Exactly.

Filler

This statement from management is ridiculous, infuriates me and just stinks of their lack of personal and institutional integrity, but so much of the anger that I hear seems like we’d be kicking ourselves in the junk to get back at them. We’re the ones who will be here long term - so we’re the ones who will suffer if we make our company worse again. I don’t see the long term win in punishing our customers and ourselves in the long game. So my real question, probably for the MEC too, is how do we not injure ourselves and yet bring this insanity and poor leadership to account? Is it even possible? What matters to them but not to our long term customers?

Management is taking full advantage of the generational shift created by Covid and the VEOP. The institutional knowledge lost when most, if not all, of the bankruptcy era direct operational experience walked out the door will never be replaced. The new crop of Delta pilots will never know what they don't know. Even the furloughed pilots weren't here voting on this stuff and/or weren't on property when the US Air threat happened. It is the responsibility of the old "now senior" pilots to preach the tactics of management. Even if the younger generation ignores you with the ear pods, you have to keep telling the stories. Embrace your inner curmudgeon. They don't know how bad it can get, hopefully they will only know in tales and legends of yore.

Thats great in theory, but there aren't many tools to fight back which are legal under the RLA. Management knows this, and knows they have a tremendous advantage. Surely there is something legal the pilot group can do to push back and draw a line in the sand not to be crossed. Surely there's something legal that can be done which will make management feel pain and realize its better/faster/cheaper to honor their agreements. Something something NPS something?

Well said. Most of the shouting down I've gotten on this thread have been from the exact pilots you mention. They'd be well served to do more listening/thinking and less arguing.