Have you consider the fact that you are “discounted” so readily is because you are condescending and you throw out single line statements that seemingly are only meant to dismiss with no actual reasoning or ideas followed by a “woe is me” blanket statement about how young kids have no respect for their elders?

”You’re so naive”
”You’ll learn”

Back up your “facts” or you’re going to continue to be discounted because you don’t provide any reasoning behind your shots at anyone you don’t agree with.

This is true.

[QUOTE=notEnuf;3714927]You are describing the very definition of apathy.

Topic arises > decides not to care enough to form a strong opinion > chooses not to vote.

[QUOTE=CruJones;3715177]https://tenor.com/search/must-vote-gifshttps://tenor.com/search/must-vote-gifsTime to start a new campaign…

Vote or Die Southpark

During aircraft upgrade training my father had a massive heart attack. The Company said they would keep the 727 out of service for a day or two if I wanted to go see him. (TX to FL) I said I would finish training first. However that thought bought them many "Just hang on days." .... The way it was.

sadly that ‘business margin’ has been monetized nowadays. It’s too bad, I wonder if the profit was worth it.

JB-

Do you have strong opinions about everything? If you don't know a candidate, then all you have to go on is the campaign sales letter. Politicians lie to get votes BTW. When the election comes is your research always complete and conclusive?

That wasn't my quote. That belonged to [MENTION=59952]notEnuf[/MENTION]

You hit on a really important issue which is precisely why we need term limits. These reps are politicians. And I will paint with a really broad brush here... ALL of them are politicians. And when (sic) "they aren't kissing babies they are trying to steal their lolipops". Anything they can do to stay in power is what they will do. It's funny that you hear talk about how arduous being a rep is, yet some of them get there and stay forever. Do your own math on that.

That is what over 30 years have taught me. Like many of the young guys on here, when I was younger I was a full on ALPA supporter and I watched contract after contract get negotiated and signed and ALPA would crow about how great the job they did was... only to see happen EXACTLY what is happening now.... right here on this very forum... complaint after complaint about how the company is violating the contract and how this isn't right and that isn't right. blah blah blah. Didn't they crow about how they 'fixed' all these issues and that THIS is the greatest contract ever? The one thing I will say they succeeded at is getting us paid for company transgressions, but I saw relatively little that actually got 'fixed'. ymmv.

I'm out of here in 2 (hopefully 4) years, so I am not really affected anymore by what the association does (or doesn't do). But... it pains me to watch the same mistakes being made by the membership that we have made over all the time I was here. I almost have to chuckle when I get asked why I didn't vote to fix the retirement issue before when it did (or didn't) come up. It is because I naively trusted what the MEC was saying...that 'this' was the best we were going to get. Frankly that particular thing is both embarrassing and humiliating. Then THIS MEC comes along and states they have a 4 pillar plan/agenda for C19 which included something for retirement for my demographic. Well that turned out to be a gigantic LIE now didn't it? Can you concede that? They. LIED. (And fwiw, I didn't expect a return of a DB pension nor did I really want one. It was interesting that they rubbed arsenic in the wound however by holding off on the DC contribution increases for a year wasn't it?).

So I implore you to learn from this. Change the diaper occasionally. Every election preferably. NONE of them are indispensable. NONE of them are so smart or brilliant that the association would fall apart without them. Didn't Hartmann's ARCOS giveback debacle not teach you this? And HE isn't elected by YOU. He has ZERO accountability to the line pilot. That particular thing doesn't affect me on the Panda, but I have read the complaints on here about it. But I'll let the rationalization begin on that. Go to a PUB event sometime at a location NOT in ATL. Count the rep to constituent ratio. They are drinking on YOUR nickel. In the mornings at the MEC, they drink coffee and eat doughnuts that YOU pay for. There's more that I won't go into on here. And lastly, stop using the word 'volunteer' when referring to union reps. They are politicians. They are professionals. What I suggest is changing the bylaws so that should they run unopposed they be allowed to be re-elected. If there is any competition for the seat, they MUST drop out. Go back to the line and actually live under the thing they negotiated.

/eor... standing by for incoming.

A person running a political campaign for a political office is a politician?! Man. You learn something new every day.