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Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 3714836)
ALPA is a political machine. They don't want your opinion. If you go there with the intent to 'change things', 1 of two things will happen. 1) you will be shut out of any meaningful involvement in anything, or 2) you will get discredited. There is an agenda, and while you might think that 'volunteering' and being involved makes your a part of that system, you aren't... UNLESS, you agree with the inner circle and lick those boots. They don't want dissent other than a few actual lambs.
I know several guys that went there with the intent of making changes, and those things are exactly what happened to them. Prove me wrong. |
Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 3714837)
You'll learn
It's also a tragedy that you discount mine so readily. But that is your cross to bear. I've been there and I know what's in your future. |
[QUOTE=JamesBond;3714836]ALPA is a political machine. They don't want your opinion./QUOTE]
Maybe you can provide an example of a governing body you think we should model? Who do you think is getting it right? |
Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 3714836)
ALPA is a political machine. They don't want your opinion. If you go there with the intent to 'change things', 1 of two things will happen. 1) you will be shut out of any meaningful involvement in anything, or 2) you will get discredited. There is an agenda, and while you might think that 'volunteering' and being involved makes your a part of that system, you aren't... UNLESS, you agree with the inner circle and lick those boots. They don't want dissent other than a few actual lambs.
I know several guys that went there with the intent of making changes, and those things are exactly what happened to them. Prove me wrong. It also says a lot about those who float to the top and why they do so. |
Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 3714836)
ALPA is a political machine. They don't want your opinion. If you go there with the intent to 'change things', 1 of two things will happen. 1) you will be shut out of any meaningful involvement in anything, or 2) you will get discredited. There is an agenda, and while you might think that 'volunteering' and being involved makes your a part of that system, you aren't... UNLESS, you agree with the inner circle and lick those boots. They don't want dissent other than a few actual lambs.
I know several guys that went there with the intent of making changes, and those things are exactly what happened to them. Prove me wrong. They also brought us things like MEMRAT for LOAs, and other good changes that never would have been considered under the old regime. |
Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw
(Post 3714862)
Nothing more true has ever been said of ALPA work, and this isn't just at DALPA. And yes, I have been involved at times, and yes, this was my experience precisely.
It also says a lot about those who float to the top and why they do so. |
Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw
(Post 3714719)
Oh no! A whole decade! 15 years!
Was that the decade when we got furloughed after 9/11 while the regionals hired and flew our routes, then slapped us in the face by telling us we had to resign our mainline seniority number to work there? Yes, how patronizing of us to ask for a job to put food on the table whilst furloughed and the regionals grew, and not want to give up our Delta seniority number. Bet you fought pretty hard for us. Oh wait... Then you threw us under the bus again by laughing in our faces as DALPA crumbled the 4th pillar and gleefully voting yes to get yours while we got left behind. |
Originally Posted by Gspeed
(Post 3714869)
Whilst? WHILST? Get of here, your Majesty.
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 3714836)
ALPA is a political machine. They don't want your opinion./QUOTE]
Maybe you can provide an example of a governing body you think we should model? Who do you think is getting it right? What say you? |
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Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 3714852)
If you want to get philosophical, that's fine, because frankly, most governments other than a benevolent dictatorship suck, and even that would when said dictator dies and the next one takes over.. ALPA, like all representative democracies fail because there is no limit to how long those in power are allowed to remain so. And before you go there, people are apathetic so the whole ballot box idea of term limits is folly. I'll bet if we had an election on just about anything right now you would be lucky to get 30% participation. But there is a lack of checks and balances within alpa that is obvious, but unlikely to ever change.
What say you? |
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