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Old 04-27-2026 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
Why are you against restoring the value of PB days?

Wouldn't SWF still work?
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Old 04-27-2026 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
In this case, it's a great take. There are already plenty of things we do to restrict ourselves, this isn't any different.
What makes it anything other than an awful take?

If I can swap a crummy 3 day Florida Shuttle trip with 9+ legs, 4am van rides, and back to back 13 hour overnights for a 4 day trip with a 35 hour layover in San Diego that’s sitting in open time, why shouldn’t I be able to do that?

Which trip is more fatiguing?

It’s one of the very few avenues junior line holders have to improve their schedules.
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Old 04-27-2026 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Wouldn't SWF still work?
Yes, but restricting SWP makes SWF the only option. SWF isn't necessary on blue days with SWP. I've racketeered my way through well over 100 hours via SWP on blue days.
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Old 04-27-2026 | 11:58 AM
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Reading credit as "how many hours of pay do you get per month"

From the April 15 PAS (so April 25-Mar26 bid periods)
12 month average 105:28

That's RES Pay, SICK, RR Pay, EDP, Carve, GS/QS/IA pay, everything but profit sharing. Average would probably be higher but was out 3 months between OJI and sick.

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Old 04-27-2026 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by AverageGPA
What makes it anything other than an awful take?

If I can swap a crummy 3 day Florida Shuttle trip with 9+ legs, 4am van rides, and back to back 13 hour overnights for a 4 day trip with a 35 hour layover in San Diego that’s sitting in open time, why shouldn’t I be able to do that?

Which trip is more fatiguing?

It’s one of the very few avenues junior line holders have to improve their schedules.

I get everything has pros/cons but it's certainly wasn't an awful take. How many months in your career have you ever had PBS award you so much flying that you couldn't swap a 3-day for a 4-day? I can't recall that ever happening, even with coverage as a junior guy.

I just took a look at the bottom 50% in my category and the one or two that were anywhere close (with a very high threshold), either asked for high credit or did nothing to stop themselves from getting that high, when they could have stopped PBS keeping them lower in the window. Most could have easily swapped multiple trips for a trip that was one day longer.

Why I don't particularly care for it is when guys regularly swap well above ALV+15 as a practice. It's the same reason I don't think we should ever allow flying over vacation days or vacation sellback. It's really not something I'm hard up over, just wouldn't be opposed to it. Admittedly, there are probably not many doing this right now with that all the premium floating around. However the pendulum will swing some day.


Originally Posted by Gunfighter
Yes, but restricting SWP makes SWF the only option. SWF isn't necessary on blue days with SWP. I've racketeered my way through well over 100 hours via SWP on blue days.
Ah yes, I see what you're saying. Might be a moo point depending on how the PB day negotiations go.
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Old 04-27-2026 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by AverageGPA
What makes it anything other than an awful take?

If I can swap a crummy 3 day Florida Shuttle trip with 9+ legs, 4am van rides, and back to back 13 hour overnights for a 4 day trip with a 35 hour layover in San Diego that’s sitting in open time, why shouldn’t I be able to do that?

Which trip is more fatiguing?

It’s one of the very few avenues junior line holders have to improve their schedules.
Exactly, leave swap with the pot alone. Next they will be against pilots going above ALV+15 with the swap board too.

Leave us Junior in category along to move out schedules around and build our own QOL.
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Old 04-27-2026 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Many pilots use the word credit to summarize how many hours of pay you made in a month ie "how much did you credit this month?"

I think you're confusing that with the credit/pay no credit iCrew/PWA jargon
Oh, I'm not confused at all. It is possible to exceed the Max (credit) PU (ALV+15) and fly to FAR's using Swap with the Pot. Waldo explained it.
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Old 04-27-2026 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Oh, I'm not confused at all. It is possible to exceed the Max (credit) PU (ALV+15) and fly to FAR's using Swap with the Pot. Waldo explained it.
In the recent past it was possible to exceed ALV+15 with banked PB days and not even get close to the FARs
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