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Old 01-16-2024 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Tfork
And the polls had nothing to do with that, but you knew that already.
I think Hockey's original post was deleted so it quoted the wrong post...sorry for any confusion.
Old 01-16-2024 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
You can't possibly think what's happening now is blind lady justice going where the evidence leads.
Articles were posted with statements from Trump's own administration attesting to the legitimacy of the efforts. Are you just going to ignore Trump's own Attorney General?

Grand Juries by our citizens have produced indictments. Again, are you just going to brush aside the system and process we use to gain justice?

A jury found that Trump did commit sexual abuse (defined as rape) in most states. Again, do you just completely disregard that finding?

Your point seems to be that everyone commits crime, so crime is fine. I do not agree. I bet neither of us think it fine to walk up and grab a woman by her crotch. I'd bet you and I both pay our bills. Neither of us has probably ever raised money for charity and kept it.

I think crime is bad and not prosecuting crime is corrosive to our society. At some point, non-prosecution results in stores leaving San Francisco because thieve know they can get away with it. The city will collapse without law and order.

I'm not a fan of Fani Willis' style, but Fulton County is correct to prosecute election interference and attempted fraud at this level.

Other prosecutors have gone through great pains to separate politics and prosecution.

Some agencies have candidly stated that they have not prosecuted Trump because he is well-funded and extremely litigious.

I do not think it fair that the US IRS would prosecute you or me because we pretty easy targets. Meanwhile, billionaires brag from their perches on golden toilets that they do not pay taxes. That is the kind of rot that destroys the unity we need in our nation.

Every citizen the same; lock up the Jan 6'ers with the BLM rioters.

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Old 01-16-2024 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Articles were posted with statements from Trump's own administration attesting to the legitimacy of the efforts. Are you just going to ignore Trump's own Attorney General?

Grand Juries by our citizens have produced indictments. Again, are you just going to brush aside the system and process we use to gain justice?

A jury found that Trump did commit sexual abuse (defined as rape) in most states. Again, do you just completely disregard that finding?

Your point seems to be that everyone commits crime, so crime is fine. I do not agree. I bet neither of us think it fine to walk up and grab a woman by her crotch. I'd bet you and I both pay our bills. Neither of us has probably ever raised money for charity and kept it.

I think crime is bad and not prosecuting crime is corrosive to our society. At some point, non-prosecution results in stores leaving San Francisco because thieve know they can get away with it. The city will collapse without law and order.

I'm not a fan of Fani Willis' style, but Fulton County is correct to prosecute election interference and attempted fraud at this level.

Other prosecutors have gone through great pains to separate politics and prosecution.

Some agencies have candidly stated that they have not prosecuted Trump because he is well-funded and extremely litigious.

I do not think it fair that the US IRS would prosecute you or me because we pretty easy targets. Meanwhile, billionaires brag from their perches on golden toilets that they do not pay taxes. That is the kind of rot that destroys the unity we need in our nation.

Every citizen the same; lock up the Jan 6'ers with the BLM rioters.
I'm just casually interested if you find Hunter/Big Guy's dealings in Ukraine, China and elsewhere above reproach. IF you are all for holding all parties responsible for all deeds, then it's easier to get onboard, but lately it seems only one side of the aisle is continuously persecuted.

Something tells me that if Trump were to keel over tomorrow and Vivek, or Desantis were to assume the conservative focus points in this contry, they'd soon become the targets of multiple "investigations" and painted as both the devil reincarnated/imbicilish by the non "basket of deplorables" as they "cling to their guns and religion".
Old 01-16-2024 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
And you don't get to erase history simply by using the word trope. Beria was infamous for selective prosecution. He coined the term "show me the man and I'll show you the crime." I knew of him historically before I'd ever heard of Bannon so nice try but another swing and a miss, and an ad homenim at that. I expect better from you.
Then you know exactly what Trump has threatened to do to political opponents.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...mmunity-2024-1

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ame-plan-alarm

and he has been in court stating he could kill citizens and opponents and be immune from prosecution

https://thehill.com/regulation/court...tial-immunity/

I thought you might find the Steve Bannon connection handy. Not sure what kind of snowflake would take that personally. Heck, I'll own it. ... Bannon explains Trump's 2am (is a tweet from the toilet a ****-post?) Stalinist missives better than Trump does. I guess that the tweets were Trump's take on whatever Bannon was putting in his ear.
Old 01-16-2024 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Then you know exactly what Trump has threatened to do to political opponents.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...mmunity-2024-1

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ame-plan-alarm

and he has been in court stating he could kill citizens and opponents and be immune from prosecution

https://thehill.com/regulation/court...tial-immunity/

I thought you might find the Steve Bannon connection handy. Not sure what kind of snowflake would take that personally. Heck, I'll own it. ... Bannon explains Trump's 2am (is a tweet from the toilet a ****-post?) Stalinist missives better than Trump does. I guess that the tweets were Trump's take on whatever Bannon was putting in his ear.
It's been said a million times, Liberals take Trump LITERALLY, Conservatives take Trump FIGURATIVELY. That is why both sides can't agree on his successes or failures.

When Trump says he's "gonna build the wall and have Mexico pay for it"
Conservatives hear he's gonna enforce immigration laws and bring Mexico into helping stem the flow. Liberals actually think he's gonna complete 1000miles of fencing and send an invoice to Mexico City.
Old 01-16-2024 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by nene
It's been said a million times, Liberals take Trump LITERALLY, Conservatives take Trump FIGURATIVELY. That is why both sides can't agree on his successes or failures.

When Trump says he's "gonna build the wall and have Mexico pay for it"
Conservatives hear he's gonna enforce immigration laws and bring Mexico into helping stem the flow. Liberals actually think he's gonna complete 1000miles of fencing and send an invoice to Mexico City.
One thing I've realized... "He was just joking.. until he isn't."

And that sad part is that cultists are cool with it either way.
Old 01-16-2024 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by nene
It's been said a million times, Liberals take Trump LITERALLY, Conservatives take Trump FIGURATIVELY. That is why both sides can't agree on his successes or failures.

When Trump says he's "gonna build the wall and have Mexico pay for it"
Conservatives hear he's gonna enforce immigration laws and bring Mexico into helping stem the flow. Liberals actually think he's gonna complete 1000miles of fencing and send an invoice to Mexico City.
Man, if we had just taken General Powell figuratively when he testified about Iraq having WMD's. 20 years in the sandbox down the drain for nothin am I right?!

Someone go back in time and tell Stalin that Hitler's non aggression pact was to be taken figuratively!
Old 01-16-2024 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by nene
It's been said a million times, Liberals take Trump LITERALLY, Conservatives take Trump FIGURATIVELY. That is why both sides can't agree on his successes or failures.

When Trump says he's "gonna build the wall and have Mexico pay for it"
Conservatives hear he's gonna enforce immigration laws and bring Mexico into helping stem the flow. Liberals actually think he's gonna complete 1000miles of fencing and send an invoice to Mexico City.
So that's why Trump tried to actually build the wall, right? Because it was just figurative.
Old 01-16-2024 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Grand Juries by our citizens have produced indictments. Again, are you just going to brush aside the system and process we use to gain justice?
So when (its now a when not an if) some partisan red state/district DA in a ruby red area of blue haters does the same thing, you'll treat those obviously political attacks as blind lady justice dutifuly going where the evidence leads with no favor or malice?

No one is brushing aside the system and process; its being called out for being grossly weaponized in a way that would make Stalin or the CCP blush. It is absolutly no longer legitimate, but might makes right, doesn't it.
Old 01-16-2024 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

and he has been in court stating he could kill citizens and opponents and be immune from prosecution
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Even Tim Pool called out that modern leftis "journalism"...trope...as radically out of context. There is a such thing as presidential immunity and there is a way around it which would be the impeachment (and conviction) process. That was the arguement and it was made on behalf of the office itself and its not new or novel. If you really fancy him a murdering dictator, why didn't he issue this alleged fake order when his WH was sacked by such a massive violent presence his protective detail enacted security protocols to go to the bunker...which the cowardly drive by left wing press then started mocking him as "bunker boy"...could you imagine a so caled "right wing" presence of equal intensity that caused the same protocols for a leftist pres? It would be wall to wall coverage for years until every single one was hunted down and jailed in solitary without charges for years. Ask us how we know. And since we're on the subject of extra-judicial executions, I'm sure you would have supported 44's impeachment (and prosecution) for his ordered drone strikes against American citizens just to be super consistent.[/size]
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