You know what grinds my gears....
#91
Thing that grinds my gears, speaker edition: Getting to cruise, other guy takes off headset, blasts speaker at full volume to the point ATC is unintelligible.
Extra gear grinding points when they say sh!t like "you know my hearing isn't that bad..."
Extra gear grinding points when they say sh!t like "you know my hearing isn't that bad..."
#92
This is why this needed it's own thread.
This! I'm surprised by the people who get upset about the other pilot doing stuff that's "theirs." If I go do the walkaround or go get us coffee, and FO knocks out the PM preflight and they took the time to knock out the box, then that's a win in my book. For everything else, as long as it gets done or gets caught by a checklist, then we're good. I don't care who turns on the pumps on before descent, who sends the in range, who fills out the t/o thrust settings, who flips the TCAS to below, who puts the ramp freq in the stby in 2, because I'm going to check it anyway. It's great if iy's already done, if not, I knock it out. It's just not that hard, nor is it a big deal. If I'm checking something that you've already accomplished, it has nothing to do with you, trust me, it's me lol.
When I was on the 737, I'd say maybe 25% of the Captains I flew with brought their own headsets, though I'm guessing that's changed since we didn't have hot mic then. On the 330, I'd say I saw less than 5 guys bring his own headset. On the 717, I see it here and there, but a vast majority use ship sets.
people seem very particular about this stuff. Generally I just consider us married and meshing together in a dynamic way for a few days kind of feeling it out seeing how we work together on the fly.
i always ask for feedback and nobody has really given me any “yeah dude that’s weird how you do that”.
checklist will catch any foul ups anyways.
i always ask for feedback and nobody has really given me any “yeah dude that’s weird how you do that”.
checklist will catch any foul ups anyways.
This! I'm surprised by the people who get upset about the other pilot doing stuff that's "theirs." If I go do the walkaround or go get us coffee, and FO knocks out the PM preflight and they took the time to knock out the box, then that's a win in my book. For everything else, as long as it gets done or gets caught by a checklist, then we're good. I don't care who turns on the pumps on before descent, who sends the in range, who fills out the t/o thrust settings, who flips the TCAS to below, who puts the ramp freq in the stby in 2, because I'm going to check it anyway. It's great if iy's already done, if not, I knock it out. It's just not that hard, nor is it a big deal. If I'm checking something that you've already accomplished, it has nothing to do with you, trust me, it's me lol.
When I was on the 737, I'd say maybe 25% of the Captains I flew with brought their own headsets, though I'm guessing that's changed since we didn't have hot mic then. On the 330, I'd say I saw less than 5 guys bring his own headset. On the 717, I see it here and there, but a vast majority use ship sets.
#93
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This is why this needed it's own thread.
This! I'm surprised by the people who get upset about the other pilot doing stuff that's "theirs." If I go do the walkaround or go get us coffee, and FO knocks out the PM preflight and they took the time to knock out the box, then that's a win in my book. For everything else, as long as it gets done or gets caught by a checklist, then we're good. I don't care who turns on the pumps on before descent, who sends the in range, who fills out the t/o thrust settings, who flips the TCAS to below, who puts the ramp freq in the stby in 2, because I'm going to check it anyway. It's great if iy's already done, if not, I knock it out. It's just not that hard, nor is it a big deal. If I'm checking something that you've already accomplished, it has nothing to do with you, trust me, it's me lol.
When I was on the 737, I'd say maybe 25% of the Captains I flew with brought their own headsets, though I'm guessing that's changed since we didn't have hot mic then. On the 330, I'd say I saw less than 5 guys bring his own headset. On the 717, I see it here and there, but a vast majority use ship sets.
This! I'm surprised by the people who get upset about the other pilot doing stuff that's "theirs." If I go do the walkaround or go get us coffee, and FO knocks out the PM preflight and they took the time to knock out the box, then that's a win in my book. For everything else, as long as it gets done or gets caught by a checklist, then we're good. I don't care who turns on the pumps on before descent, who sends the in range, who fills out the t/o thrust settings, who flips the TCAS to below, who puts the ramp freq in the stby in 2, because I'm going to check it anyway. It's great if iy's already done, if not, I knock it out. It's just not that hard, nor is it a big deal. If I'm checking something that you've already accomplished, it has nothing to do with you, trust me, it's me lol.
When I was on the 737, I'd say maybe 25% of the Captains I flew with brought their own headsets, though I'm guessing that's changed since we didn't have hot mic then. On the 330, I'd say I saw less than 5 guys bring his own headset. On the 717, I see it here and there, but a vast majority use ship sets.
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#94
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I used to be more annoyed by little stuff as a RJ FO, then upgraded and came to appreciate FOs that would help me even though it wasn't a textbook responsibility for them in that case. It was surprising coming to Delta and finding how relaxed our procedures and callouts were in comparison to the written procedures at my previous carrier. At first it was an adjustment, but now I like it as it gives room for technique. As an FO, my philosophy is basically the same as a CA: in an effort to foster a positive CRM environment I'm not going to nitpick the little stuff unless specifically asked for feedback on the matter. I reserve the right to speak up about deviations for unsafe acts or potential violations. Coincidentally, this philosophy has also helped my marriage!
ALPA's Code of Ethics captures this well:
"If in command, they will expect efficient performance of each crew member's duties, yet they will overlook small discrepancies and refrain from unnecessary and destructive criticism, so that the crew member will retain their self-respect and cooperative attitude. A frank discussion of minor matters of technique and performance after the flight will create goodwill and a desire to be helpful, whereas sharp criticism and peremptory orders at the moment will only result in the breakdown of morale and an inefficient, halting performance of future duties."
ALPA's Code of Ethics captures this well:
"If in command, they will expect efficient performance of each crew member's duties, yet they will overlook small discrepancies and refrain from unnecessary and destructive criticism, so that the crew member will retain their self-respect and cooperative attitude. A frank discussion of minor matters of technique and performance after the flight will create goodwill and a desire to be helpful, whereas sharp criticism and peremptory orders at the moment will only result in the breakdown of morale and an inefficient, halting performance of future duties."
#95
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So you are the one that does this. Why do you deselect it AND turn them all the way down?! When the next guy reselects it, and figures it was left at something usable from the previous pilot, they then step on ramp because they can't hear anyone talking. Just deselect em and leave the volumes where you had it!
#96
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So you are the one that does this. Why do you deselect it AND turn them all the way down?! When the next guy reselects it, and figures it was left at something usable from the previous pilot, they then step on ramp because they can't hear anyone talking. Just deselect em and leave the volumes where you had it!
If you forget to turn the volume high enough to hear a call, that’s on you not properly preflighting your radios.
#97
I was wondering the same thing! Came from a mil background, so my view is limited.
Is quarter folding a faux pas of some kind? If so, that sounds like a very strange thing to consider a faux pas, especially since there are bigger fish to fry! Indeed, a very interesting thing to be bothered by.
Not once, ever, did I consciously feel bothered or upset by the checklist being folded in the way it is. Never ever thought about it before.
Is quarter folding a faux pas of some kind? If so, that sounds like a very strange thing to consider a faux pas, especially since there are bigger fish to fry! Indeed, a very interesting thing to be bothered by.
Not once, ever, did I consciously feel bothered or upset by the checklist being folded in the way it is. Never ever thought about it before.
#98
This! I'm surprised by the people who get upset about the other pilot doing stuff that's "theirs." If I go do the walkaround or go get us coffee, and FO knocks out the PM preflight and they took the time to knock out the box, then that's a win in my book. For everything else, as long as it gets done or gets caught by a checklist, then we're good. I don't care who turns on the pumps on before descent, who sends the in range, who fills out the t/o thrust settings, who flips the TCAS to below, who puts the ramp freq in the stby in 2, because I'm going to check it anyway. It's great if iy's already done, if not, I knock it out. It's just not that hard, nor is it a big deal. If I'm checking something that you've already accomplished, it has nothing to do with you, trust me, it's me lol. [size=33px]
It was a quiet trip, and not because I didn't still try. Some people just can't handle being wrong. I genuinely hope I'm never anything like that guy.[/size]
#99
Agreed....what bothers me about checklists, which doesn't really bother me, but if I was going to be bothered at all by something checklist related, is why, after operating an aircraft type for 20 something years, we come up with changes to the way we operate an aircraft. On the A320, on two of the checklists (before takeoff, and approach checklist) now we have to check and state whether the engine ignition is in NORM or ignition. I'd love to know the reason this little nugget has been added. Any 320 instructors know the reasoning behind this change? I'm sure there is a memo I could reference but I've got one more three day and then I'm changing fleets, sort of, so not too motivated to research it.
The Vol 1 says the Captain checks the IGNITION is displayed or not on the [ECAM] memo and announces "IGNITION" or "NORM". Except with anti ice on in a 319/320, it was say "Ignition" regardless of the engine mode selector position, so that doesn't really work for the switch position. Besides, "Heavy Rain/Severe turbulence/Standing Water" are about as common as the times we use Wing Anti Ice, yet we don't add THAT to the checklist. Twice. I mean, what other "maybe/possibly" checklist itmes do we need to add to every day/every leg checklists??? Do we need to add "Engine Anti Ice ___" to the climb checklist? No, because we are capable of assesing and making a real-time decision. Not a fan.
#100
When I was an FO, I got snapped at pretty hard by a Captain who didn't show up until 30.0001 mintues before pushback (apparently that was his "standard"). I had done everything already, as I had no idea where the heck he was or why. He got snippy and tried to tell me that was against the Vol 1 and it was a safety issue for the PF to load the box, until I calmly pointed out the Vol 1 may say who "normally" does things, but that it also says "this does not preclude another cremember from completing all or part...", and since I had no idea where he was, I gave him the courtesy of just getting it all done.
It was a quiet trip, and not because I didn't still try. Some people just can't handle being wrong. I genuinely hope I'm never anything like that guy.
It was a quiet trip, and not because I didn't still try. Some people just can't handle being wrong. I genuinely hope I'm never anything like that guy.
Being based in ATL is a choice! 🤣
But seriously, hopefully the remainder of those types have already retired or will be retiring soon. I've honestly never had that happen and I certainly would never do that to one of my FOs. I'll admit that on the first flight of the trip, I'm usually the last one there. That said, I generally text my FO and ask if they want a coffee. If I show up and stuff is done, it only makes my life easier lol.
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