You know what grinds my gears....
01-19-2024, 10:18 AM
#111
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
Ok now you’re grinding MY gears 😉
Maybe just pick it up like the rest of the world does it? There are some human factors benefits analogous to why we point at the FMA, FCU, etc. If I get interrupted mid checklist, maybe I’ll ask myself why I’m still holding it in my hand? I have had to ask an FO to actually read the checklist. I know you’re good. We all have it memorized. There’s a reason we do it this way. Slow is pro.
To add to the list, FO’s (not singling them out other than they run the radio on the ground) that speed switch to the next frequency while we’re still on/crossing an active runway. Even worse, before we’ve entered the runway. Contact ground “other side” is plenty fast enough. Maybe the tower guy or another airplane gives us a hint that I screwed up and somebody can save the situation. What’s the hurry?
Maybe just pick it up like the rest of the world does it? There are some human factors benefits analogous to why we point at the FMA, FCU, etc. If I get interrupted mid checklist, maybe I’ll ask myself why I’m still holding it in my hand? I have had to ask an FO to actually read the checklist. I know you’re good. We all have it memorized. There’s a reason we do it this way. Slow is pro.
To add to the list, FO’s (not singling them out other than they run the radio on the ground) that speed switch to the next frequency while we’re still on/crossing an active runway. Even worse, before we’ve entered the runway. Contact ground “other side” is plenty fast enough. Maybe the tower guy or another airplane gives us a hint that I screwed up and somebody can save the situation. What’s the hurry?
01-19-2024, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
No. It's not. Selecting a mode on the ground isn't the PM job. Why can't he just ask "Hey, did you want LNAV?" Either I'll say, oh yeah, I forgot. Or, no, I'll select it while I'm briefing the departure.
The same thing can be said for selecting Vref 2 hours before landing. Stop. It isn't your job. I'll select it when I select it and if I don't and it isn't done by the time we verify it in the Approach checklist, then I'll do it then or you can remind me to do it then.
The same thing can be said for selecting Vref 2 hours before landing. Stop. It isn't your job. I'll select it when I select it and if I don't and it isn't done by the time we verify it in the Approach checklist, then I'll do it then or you can remind me to do it then.
01-19-2024, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Speaking of gear grinding, I like the quarter fold. I like to store it in a place where I can see the next checklist for most checklists so I don't even have to literally lift a finger. It really grinds LCP gears that I'm not physically picking up the checklist and holding it in my hand. Had one comment on it that I should at least pretend to read it to which we got in an argument over whether or not I could see all the words from where I was sitting.
I always thought placing my thumb on each checklist item was good practice. Helps if there's a short pause to know where you left off.
01-19-2024, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by igotgummed
Not that we ever get to keep the same plane anymore……but I long for the days of the thru flight checklist RP had back in the day. It was maybe 5-6 items.
And a Before Takeoff "too the line" so I don't need to officially wait to see the intersection before doing a distracting checklist.
01-19-2024, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by LumberJack
This.
And a Before Takeoff "too the line" so I don't need to officially wait to see the intersection before doing a distracting checklist.
And a Before Takeoff "too the line" so I don't need to officially wait to see the intersection before doing a distracting checklist.
Nothing Says safety like a captain taxiing and also briefing a departure while verifying it in the box.
01-19-2024, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Nothing Says safety like a captain taxiing and also briefing a departure while verifying it in the box.
Nothing Says safety like a captain taxiing and also briefing a departure while verifying it in the box.
some people want to make this job alot harder than it is
you’re starting to sound like one of those dudes that starts with “im really chill, but……..”
01-19-2024, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Puddytatt
Before an LCA gets their feathers ruffled, I guess it is required to engage on the ground for RNAVs according to the FCTM. Still, stop pushing my buttons. When every other leg is the same dang briefing out of ATL, it's hard to remember if I've said it for the second time today. If only the legs got split up differently so I'm not doing every departure out of Atlanta. 🤣🤣
01-19-2024, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Hubcapped
give me a break dude, plenty of long taxis where this can be done. You are being contrarian to be contrarian. Time and place, measured responses, situational dependent. I would counter that if you can’t safely taxi an airplane in a straight line and brief perf, route, departure, fix, lateral, vertical, and speed in 6.9 seconds……you probably should find another job.
some people want to make this job alot harder than it is
you’re starting to sound like one of those dudes that starts with “im really chill, but……..”
some people want to make this job alot harder than it is
you’re starting to sound like one of those dudes that starts with “im really chill, but……..”
Taxiing is FAR more high risk 100% of the time than about any point between gear down and gear up.
01-19-2024, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
1 for 2. If the checklist is interupted, then do it over again from the begining. Radios, announce the swithing to 1 or 2 or the new frequency and there's no rush. If I'm in the middle of a turn with the tiller and throttles, it'll take me 10 seconds to get the hand free to punch that button on the panel anyway. And if I miss it, I'll ask you to verify it.
01-19-2024, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I would argue that if you can't review an approach plate, tune radios and monitor the AP, you should be in another job. Yet, that's the approved procedure.
Taxiing is FAR more high risk 100% of the time than about any point between gear down and gear up.
Taxiing is FAR more high risk 100% of the time than about any point between gear down and gear up.
We also teach them to do it in a low threat regime. Not like when runway crossing.
So you're saying we've been wrong for like 30 years?
Cool, tell you what, let's put you in charge of training and standards
Now get to work boy
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