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Old 01-18-2024, 01:16 PM
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On the ER 99% (at least in NY) of the time the PM gets the entire MCP on the ground including arming LNAV if necessary. Didn’t even know this was an issue
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Old 01-18-2024, 01:33 PM
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Huh, yours doesn’t arm automatically

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Old 01-18-2024, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Puddytatt View Post
Before an LCA gets their feathers ruffled, I guess it is required to engage on the ground for RNAVs according to the FCTM. Still, stop pushing my buttons. When every other leg is the same dang briefing out of ATL, it's hard to remember if I've said it for the second time today. If only the legs got split up differently so I'm not doing every departure out of Atlanta. 🤣🤣
Just split them 2 and 2 for the rotation. Isn’t that hard.

EDIT: And if every other leg you department of ATL, that means your FO is landing in ATL every time. Let them fly to some of these less controlled airports. Make them figure out the energy on a slam dunk into somewhere. ATL landings every leg makes some people lazy, and they forget how to manage energy.

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Old 01-18-2024, 04:29 PM
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In the 717 (and I imagine other fleets as well), leaving the seat positiion halfway forward and fully elevated.

Anecdotally (and probably incorrectly) I feel like this happens MORE often when I see the previous occupant of my seat walk off the plane who is as tall/taller than me (and I'm tall.) Why was the seat left so high??
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Old 01-18-2024, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Fastpilot View Post
On the ER 99% (at least in NY) of the time the PM gets the entire MCP on the ground including arming LNAV if necessary. Didn’t even know this was an issue
Buried in the “Preflight Procedure - First Officer” part of the amplified procedures, but it’s supposed to always be the FO to do that, not the PM. But most guys just do it as PM and that honestly makes the most sense.
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Old 01-18-2024, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy View Post
No. It's not. Selecting a mode on the ground isn't the PM job. Why can't he just ask "Hey, did you want LNAV?" Either I'll say, oh yeah, I forgot. Or, no, I'll select it while I'm briefing the departure.

The same thing can be said for selecting Vref 2 hours before landing. Stop. It isn't your job. I'll select it when I select it and if I don't and it isn't done by the time we verify it in the Approach checklist, then I'll do it then or you can remind me to do it then.
What do you fly? Vol 1 on the 73 couldn’t be more clear, MCP setup is clearly the responsibility of the pilot monitoring. You aren’t on the ground, you are at the gate. Why would you have one person do the altitude and speed and heading but only you can do the LNAV button? No logic in that.
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Old 01-18-2024, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy View Post
Just ask. I've had to reach up right away and turn it off because LNAV wasn't permitted off the ground and he didn't read the notes. It's a team effort right? PF sets the mcp. PM backs them up. Even if the PM is hand flying, the PF is supposed to ask for a mode change.
Yeah, not to sound arrogant, but I do read the notes and I verify that LNAV is required. If there is a grey area I'll bring it up. If the PF is actively programming the FMS I will wait but often I see the FMS is done but LNAV is not armed. To me that should be done as soon as you finish programming the FMS. Why leave it off and risk forgetting it so you remember to brief? (Not sure if that is your technique or someone else's)

I get your point about it being a team sport, but does the PF ask for permission to execute an FMS change on the ground before the Preflight Checklist? But seems to bother some so I will start asking the pilots I fly with about this.

As for the flaps and after landing maybe it was just the instructors I had but I was taught that retracting the flaps and doing the After Landing checklist was our last priority and if we took 5 minutes to get to it will so be it. Much more important to not botch our exit and cause a runway incursion.
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Old 01-18-2024, 05:19 PM
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Just leave the cockpit a little cleaner than you found it. And turn the speakers off for God's sake. And also take the garbage out of the cockpit, the cleaners don't venture in there (I can't believe I still see garbage bags in the cockpit.)

And if it's the warmer months: Lights off, foot heaters off, shades up, and all vents open.
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Old 01-18-2024, 05:26 PM
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I specifically brief the FO to just hold off on the flaps and stay heads up at places with close inboard runways to cross. If we're sitting short with the brake set and there's time go for it but let's make sure we know what we're doing first. I don't care 1 bit about the flaps hangin out for awhile.
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Old 01-18-2024, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano View Post
And turn the speakers off for God's sak.
the speakers are supposed to be on
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