Delta 56 Severe Turbulence
#261
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Indeed. It was good food for thought in a CQ. Does a message from ATC to cancel takeoff clearance in the high-speed regime imply that the plane is unsafe to fly? The lesson was something to munch on but didn't change anything about our criteria. I don't go so far as to say that Delta says go anyways, but preference was expressed to go unless what you said was met.
The only legitimate reason to high speed abort for ATC is a runway incursion further downfield, but you better be sure you can stop in time.
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This is the most insane thing I learned coming to the airlines.
Control change at one of the highest risk moments is asinine.
If we need to abort, say abort and the FO slams the throttles back and deploys the reversers. It’s not difficult.
Control change at one of the highest risk moments is asinine.
If we need to abort, say abort and the FO slams the throttles back and deploys the reversers. It’s not difficult.
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Until the tiller is needed…
#265
Was a FO/FO pairing in initial qual on 757/67.
300 series Sims. I'm PM. Right seat. Other Fo in left seat.
80 knots thrust normal,
Around 120 with a 140 V1
Fire light/bell/eyc.
PM (FO/me) "engine fire, ABORT"
Speedbrakes didn't even get up before simulator paused and a 80+ year old retired captain NSLI reads us both the riot act for a good 15 minutes how "ONLY A DELTA CAPTAIN MAY EVER CALL ABORT, YOU F/Os CANNOT COMPREHEND THE DANGER"
Mind you, I was around 10,000 hours, 5k military turboprop, 5k turbine helicopter and the other guy was a retired USAF C5 guy with similar hours.
Neither of us had ever had a control swap on an abort on any plane, and any crewmember, be it pilot, NFO, flight engineer or loadmaster could and did call abort up to V1/Cat Shot.
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I'd continue unless it was something extremely obviously unsafe. I'm not trusting ATC, they weren't part of our abort brief and they could be telling us to abort because our flow time is no longer valid or something dumb like that.
The only legitimate reason to high speed abort for ATC is a runway incursion further downfield, but you better be sure you can stop in time.
The only legitimate reason to high speed abort for ATC is a runway incursion further downfield, but you better be sure you can stop in time.
#267
I'd continue unless it was something extremely obviously unsafe. I'm not trusting ATC, they weren't part of our abort brief and they could be telling us to abort because our flow time is no longer valid or something dumb like that.
The only legitimate reason to high speed abort for ATC is a runway incursion further downfield, but you better be sure you can stop in time.
The only legitimate reason to high speed abort for ATC is a runway incursion further downfield, but you better be sure you can stop in time.
#268
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I disagree. I'd rather be on the ground safe and mildly annoyed at ATC than continue. You don't have the luxury of time during a takeoff roll to know if its a life threatening situation or a clerical error. ATC could absolutely see something that we don't, and you're never going to be wrong for erring on the side of caution.
Traffic on the runway is the only reason I can think of to abort for when ATC calls it.
#269
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traffic overhead is another. Like the FedEx/SWA incident in AUS. WN didn’t abort and that could have ended horribly
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as always, it’s never cut-and-dry
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