Delta 56 Severe Turbulence
08-07-2025 | 01:22 PM
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08-07-2025 | 01:24 PM
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Put it on a card you can review before the trip starts. It could fit behind the ID. I don't even listen to the brief anymore except to catch if he's a start em both guy and who is making the abort PA. But yes, please tell me one more time that I shouldn't just throw my hands in the air if something bad happens but also definitely need to check the speed brake as soon as we exchange flight controls in a maneuver that takes less time to complete than it does to brief the non-memory memory items
There's a happy medium. We don't need to plan a fighter sortie but not briefing anything I don't think is the answer either.
08-07-2025 | 01:57 PM
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I'd agree, until I had the "cool" senior FO who yadda yadda'd the brief and basically rolled their eyes during my once per trip go around brief and then proceeded to completely screw up the PM tasks of the go around we had to do because ATC stacked us too close in ATL. I was basically single pilot until he recombobulated himself once we were straight and level on the downwind leg.
There's a happy medium. We don't need to plan a fighter sortie but not briefing anything I don't think is the answer either.
There's a happy medium. We don't need to plan a fighter sortie but not briefing anything I don't think is the answer either.
08-07-2025 | 02:23 PM
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I'd agree, until I had the "cool" senior FO who yadda yadda'd the brief and basically rolled their eyes during my once per trip go around brief and then proceeded to completely screw up the PM tasks of the go around we had to do because ATC stacked us too close in ATL. I was basically single pilot until he recombobulated himself once we were straight and level on the downwind leg.
There's a happy medium. We don't need to plan a fighter sortie but not briefing anything I don't think is the answer either.
There's a happy medium. We don't need to plan a fighter sortie but not briefing anything I don't think is the answer either.
08-07-2025 | 02:27 PM
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It SHOULD be standard, yes. The reason for briefing it at the start of a trip is to reinforce and bring to top of mind, much like an engine failure. Multiple human factors studies have shown the benefit of performance in these scenarios if they were briefed vs the lazy “standard brief” nonsense.
What would non brief email brief cowboys do when getting a line check?
It's our procedure. It's spelled out in our guidance and reenforced in our training and standards checks. It doesn't take long and the brief really does have purpose and benefits that are scientifically proven and supported by operational analysis of events.
08-07-2025 | 02:27 PM
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Correct. But a 30 second highlight of an abort isn’t a fighter sortie brief. It’s easy to assume the role of the “too cool for school” guy in the right seat and roll your eyes as if they don’t need to need to pay attention. Perspective tends to change when you understand the underlying human performance data behind having a shared mental model after a brief. I understand the value of brevity, so thats never an issue, but some just think they are next level and that anything that pushes back on their belief (even if it’s data supported) gets the eye roll.
08-07-2025 | 02:42 PM
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it’s amazing how different United and Delta are….At United we briefed the Go Around on every approach Briefing and we Brief the Rejected Takeoff the first leg everyday or if we change a crew member……and yes our Rejected Takeoff Briefing is standard.
08-07-2025 | 02:44 PM
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What's the "A" in warts stand for?
Part of it is "abnormals" what one covers there will depend on the threats identified for that place at that time. CAVU day blasting out of ATL, pretty easy. Taking off out of EGE in a blizzard, probably gonna need to talk about it a little.
Part of it is "abnormals" what one covers there will depend on the threats identified for that place at that time. CAVU day blasting out of ATL, pretty easy. Taking off out of EGE in a blizzard, probably gonna need to talk about it a little.
08-07-2025 | 02:53 PM
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Yeah you guys brief waaaaay more than us. Like an insane amount 😂
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