Delta 56 Severe Turbulence
#421
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They came close in Mexico City a few years ago. Hit runway lights on the engine failure.. but did keep it on the pavement.
https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/318862
https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/318862
#422
Yup. From the left seat. “Never do any of this again” or some such said by the SLI both when the maneuver is briefed and when completed.
Keep In mind CAs get to perform the RTO in the sim twice a cycle (I think). FOs never perform an abort with any sort of modifications… no hand over TLs til V1, no sweep the CAs hand away and abort because of the two communication rule, no usurping the CAs decision because they believe they know better.
Train like you fly, fly like you train. The lunacy of advocating for a non-scripted procedure that is such a corner case is bizarre. Everything else we do we train for.
Keep In mind CAs get to perform the RTO in the sim twice a cycle (I think). FOs never perform an abort with any sort of modifications… no hand over TLs til V1, no sweep the CAs hand away and abort because of the two communication rule, no usurping the CAs decision because they believe they know better.
Train like you fly, fly like you train. The lunacy of advocating for a non-scripted procedure that is such a corner case is bizarre. Everything else we do we train for.
#423
#424
The Freddy the Fox pilot went beyond just the Fox. I witnessed him when I was a SO jump out of the Captains seat yank open the cockpit door and disappear after a flight attendant who said something that upset him. Interesting part was he was hand flying the aircraft at the time! FO looked back at me and said, “I guess I have it”!
#425
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After Mission+ was introduced, there was also a shorter summary of the flight plan using an iOS shortcut that that included the flight attendant e-mail feature and a shorter Flight Family summary that could quicky be copied and pasted. All of this was shut down by Delta.
This was used as a backup to a face to face briefing. However, the flight attendants had a backup with things like flight time, pilot names, a link to destination weather, etc.
#426
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There used to be a website that created a version of the html flight plan when the plain text flight plan was posted into it. Since the code for the Delta html flight plan was based on the code from this site, this version was similar to the Delta html flight plan, but had a few more "bells and whistles." One of those features was that it created an e-mail that included some of the features of the times section of the old html flight plan without the UTC column that could be pasted into an e-mail that was opened by a link that opened the e-mail with the addresses pre-populated. The pilot using it could edit the e-mail to add personal notes before sending.
After Mission+ was introduced, there was also a shorter summary of the flight plan using an iOS shortcut that that included the flight attendant e-mail feature and a shorter Flight Family summary that could quicky be copied and pasted. All of this was shut down by Delta.
This was used as a backup to a face to face briefing. However, the flight attendants had a backup with things like flight time, pilot names, a link to destination weather, etc.
After Mission+ was introduced, there was also a shorter summary of the flight plan using an iOS shortcut that that included the flight attendant e-mail feature and a shorter Flight Family summary that could quicky be copied and pasted. All of this was shut down by Delta.
This was used as a backup to a face to face briefing. However, the flight attendants had a backup with things like flight time, pilot names, a link to destination weather, etc.
The only thing they don't have access to in your last paragraph is the flight time. Just .... Go talk to them
#427
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#428
I pretty much don't use flight family because it's impersonal and they are on the airplane so I can just talk to them. I also don't like flight family because there are too many canned messages. I don't need the ramp tower telling me to ready set go, When things get done they will be done. We have a departure time if that's not good enough, then change it officially. Quiet pushing. It has become a who can tattle to mom first to blame the caterers, cleaners, crew so the station doesn't look bad.
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I pretty much don't use flight family because it's impersonal and they are on the airplane so I can just talk to them. I also don't like flight family because there are too many canned messages. I don't need the ramp tower telling me to ready set go, When things get done they will be done. We have a departure time if that's not good enough, then change it officially. Quiet pushing. It has become a who can tattle to mom first to blame the caterers, cleaners, crew so the station doesn't look bad.
#430
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It's always a treat to watch FFC devolve into the Jerry Springer Show of the airline world.
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