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Old 08-16-2025 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
They came close in Mexico City a few years ago. Hit runway lights on the engine failure.. but did keep it on the pavement.

https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/318862
That was not the only accident where use of the tiller at high speed bit Delta. They once made us all watch a Boeing video about what happens making tiller inputs above 30 knots.
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Old 08-16-2025 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
Yup. From the left seat. “Never do any of this again” or some such said by the SLI both when the maneuver is briefed and when completed.

Keep In mind CAs get to perform the RTO in the sim twice a cycle (I think). FOs never perform an abort with any sort of modifications… no hand over TLs til V1, no sweep the CAs hand away and abort because of the two communication rule, no usurping the CAs decision because they believe they know better.

Train like you fly, fly like you train. The lunacy of advocating for a non-scripted procedure that is such a corner case is bizarre. Everything else we do we train for.
Almost never. I've done plenty of aborts from the left seat in RECY sims while the other FO is PF. It wasn't my training, but it does provide a chance to exercise the brain and the muscle movements.
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Old 08-18-2025 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
And what is the CA is not responding appropriately or at all
Our FOM is unambiguous on this point.

(Do what you must (I would) but the FAA approved, regulatory authority on this is completely clear)
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Old 08-19-2025 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The Freddy the Fox pilot went beyond just the Fox. I witnessed him when I was a SO jump out of the Captains seat yank open the cockpit door and disappear after a flight attendant who said something that upset him. Interesting part was he was hand flying the aircraft at the time! FO looked back at me and said, “I guess I have it”!
Sadly, that does not surprise me. I laughed at the stories/urban legends about when "Freddy" got fed a TCBY cone abruptly and when he was unceremoniously sent on an excursion to the taxiways in ORD via the FOs window.
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Old 08-20-2025 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Wait, people are briefing the FAs via text and email? Not crapping on it, I've just never seen or heard of it. Is it a text on FF?
There used to be a website that created a version of the html flight plan when the plain text flight plan was posted into it. Since the code for the Delta html flight plan was based on the code from this site, this version was similar to the Delta html flight plan, but had a few more "bells and whistles." One of those features was that it created an e-mail that included some of the features of the times section of the old html flight plan without the UTC column that could be pasted into an e-mail that was opened by a link that opened the e-mail with the addresses pre-populated. The pilot using it could edit the e-mail to add personal notes before sending.

After Mission+ was introduced, there was also a shorter summary of the flight plan using an iOS shortcut that that included the flight attendant e-mail feature and a shorter Flight Family summary that could quicky be copied and pasted. All of this was shut down by Delta.

This was used as a backup to a face to face briefing. However, the flight attendants had a backup with things like flight time, pilot names, a link to destination weather, etc.
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Old 08-21-2025 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by DLDude
There used to be a website that created a version of the html flight plan when the plain text flight plan was posted into it. Since the code for the Delta html flight plan was based on the code from this site, this version was similar to the Delta html flight plan, but had a few more "bells and whistles." One of those features was that it created an e-mail that included some of the features of the times section of the old html flight plan without the UTC column that could be pasted into an e-mail that was opened by a link that opened the e-mail with the addresses pre-populated. The pilot using it could edit the e-mail to add personal notes before sending.

After Mission+ was introduced, there was also a shorter summary of the flight plan using an iOS shortcut that that included the flight attendant e-mail feature and a shorter Flight Family summary that could quicky be copied and pasted. All of this was shut down by Delta.

This was used as a backup to a face to face briefing. However, the flight attendants had a backup with things like flight time, pilot names, a link to destination weather, etc.
Leadership via email. 2007 approves. .
The only thing they don't have access to in your last paragraph is the flight time. Just .... Go talk to them
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Old 08-21-2025 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Leadership via email. 2007 approves. .
The only thing they don't have access to in your last paragraph is the flight time. Just .... Go talk to them
Like I mentioned, it was a supplement to a face-to-face briefing. It was quick, easy, and appreciated.
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Old 08-21-2025 | 06:07 PM
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I pretty much don't use flight family because it's impersonal and they are on the airplane so I can just talk to them. I also don't like flight family because there are too many canned messages. I don't need the ramp tower telling me to ready set go, When things get done they will be done. We have a departure time if that's not good enough, then change it officially. Quiet pushing. It has become a who can tattle to mom first to blame the caterers, cleaners, crew so the station doesn't look bad.
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Old 08-21-2025 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
I pretty much don't use flight family because it's impersonal and they are on the airplane so I can just talk to them. I also don't like flight family because there are too many canned messages. I don't need the ramp tower telling me to ready set go, When things get done they will be done. We have a departure time if that's not good enough, then change it officially. Quiet pushing. It has become a who can tattle to mom first to blame the caterers, cleaners, crew so the station doesn't look bad.
9 out of 10 times when I send ops a messenge, I still have to call them to see if they got it, which "oh yeah, I see it now." It's only useful to me at outstations to see how many people are on the airplane to time my "walk"
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Old 08-23-2025 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
9 out of 10 times when I send ops a messenge, I still have to call them to see if they got it, which "oh yeah, I see it now." It's only useful to me at outstations to see how many people are on the airplane to time my "walk"
It's always a treat to watch FFC devolve into the Jerry Springer Show of the airline world.
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