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10-16-2025 | 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by crewdawg

So what if we have the same pay rates? Even better if we pull them up further for the industry. It's not like we're starting from nothing on this round. I'd agree with you if we were just out of bankruptcy, working 19 days/month on SC.

You’re assuming that Delta is, and forever will be, the rate-setter for the rest of the industry. That’s not always the case.

I’m not suggesting that we ignore rates — at all. I’m simply stating that a singular focus on rates is the wrong approach. There are still quite a few QOL items in our contract that lag our peers, all while our rates are exactly the same.

10-16-2025 | 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by FangsF15

I'm with you. Honestly, If we were smart, we'd push heavily for soft-pay items with a me-too with UA/AA/WN on pay rates. Let them do the pay lifting while we do the QOL lifting. We got a little taste of it on the current contract where UA got us 2%. Let's leverage that for 2-3% more from each industry contract.

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10-16-2025 | 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano

Absolutely. Just give us more money, not a contract where you need a lawyer for every interaction/pay day.

That ship sailed here a long time ago.

We can either work to strengthen the rest of our contract, or ignore it and let the company claw back our higher rates by steamrolling us in other areas.

10-16-2025 | 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ancman

this ^^

my point about selfish people still stands. Yes of course we are all inherently selfish, however the people that are about to time out dont care about QOL. They want cash. Beware those.

as always there is a balance. Rates will always match the other 2, qol is the real heavy hitter (subjectively)

10-16-2025 | 02:46 PM

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What are the arguments that we have leverage for this cycle?

10-16-2025 | 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Podracer

What are the arguments that we have leverage for this cycle?

Dunno. But it doesn’t help our cause that so many pilots gleefully voted YES for C2019. Delta would be right to surmise that the majority of us are content with what we have in the current contract.

10-16-2025 | 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ancman

You’re assuming that Delta is, and forever will be, the rate-setter for the rest of the industry. That’s not always the case. I’m not suggesting that we ignore rates — at all. I’m simply stating that a singular focus on rates is the wrong approach. There are still quite a few QOL items in our contract that lag our peers, all while our rates are exactly the same.

Of course we may not always set the rates for the big 3 pax carriers, but when was the last time we didn't/didnt get the contractul bump by someone going higher? I think we agree more than disagree. I want more vacation (weeks or pay per day), more pay for training and higher pay rates. All of those items equal QOL for all. I'm not against QOL items, I just think we're mostly there right now and we should focus on getting more pay for the day that we do work. These things impact all pilots, while some of the QOL items people propose only impact a fraction of the pilots. If we get those things and we could work 2 or 3 less day per month, that is a massive QOL impact for all.