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10-17-2025 | 12:36 PM
#403
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10-17-2025 | 12:40 PM
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Every action has an equal and opposite reaction when it comes to trip construction. The vast majority probably would hate the result of a 6:00 ADG. Yes, there might be a few examples on the margins where it would be great, but on balance it would be a disaster for QOL, IMO.
10-17-2025 | 12:42 PM
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I would much rather fly a 24 hour 4 day trip than a 21 hour 4 day.
They can try to optimize it as much as they can to get it to 24hrs of block, but with EDP/SIT etc, I think those trops would end up paying much more that 6 hours per day.
Nothing is stopping the company from "really loading up on the block" now if they want to.
10-17-2025 | 12:43 PM
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He's just asking why it doesn't count toward the WS PU limit as well.
Another great reason to bid a line during vacation months is to have minimal commitment during the month. If you're looking to actually take a long of a vacation, this is a great way of doing it.
The company would not "love" it. They would rather we lower ADG. Then they can build 16 hour 4 day trips that suit them when they need to.
I would much rather fly a 24 hour 4 day trip than a 21 hour 4 day.
They can try to optimize it as much as they can to get it to 24hrs of block, but with EDP/SIT etc, I think those trops would end up paying much more that 6 hours per day.
I would much rather fly a 24 hour 4 day trip than a 21 hour 4 day.
They can try to optimize it as much as they can to get it to 24hrs of block, but with EDP/SIT etc, I think those trops would end up paying much more that 6 hours per day.
I'd want to see what Carmen kicks out before we agreed to a drastic daily increase.
10-17-2025 | 12:46 PM
#407
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I know we have a min day. I said I don’t want a “true” min day. The current 2:30 only really comes into play if you are on a hard time trip. I consider a true min day to be a large number, like 5-6 hours. The 2:30 was implemented to discourage the company from jamming tons of block on flying days on trips that had a 30 hour layover. With an actual min day of 5-6 hours you can kiss 30 hour layovers and one-and-done first/last days goodbye. Lots of midday DHs instead and no easy starts or finishes.
10-17-2025 | 12:47 PM
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The company would not "love" it. They would rather we lower ADG. Then they can build 16 hour 4 day trips that suit them when they need to.
I would much rather fly a 24 hour 4 day trip than a 21 hour 4 day.
They can try to optimize it as much as they can to get it to 24hrs of block, but with EDP/SIT etc, I think those trops would end up paying much more that 6 hours per day.
I would much rather fly a 24 hour 4 day trip than a 21 hour 4 day.
They can try to optimize it as much as they can to get it to 24hrs of block, but with EDP/SIT etc, I think those trops would end up paying much more that 6 hours per day.
My point is the company would adapt trip construction and load of that 4-day trip with 4-leg days and crap like that. Imaging doing two BHM penalty laps on the go-home day... They aren't going to simply pay more for the same bid package. Not very many people would like that bid packet in the end.
But you are certainly entitled to understand all that and still want it. Not saying this is you, I just think most people don't really think though/comprehend the second and third order effects...
10-17-2025 | 12:49 PM
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Well, sure I'd love to get paid 24 hours for 4-day trip too, but I like to be productive when I work - not everyone does. In fact, not many do...
My point is the company would adapt trip construction and load of that 4-day trip with 4-leg days and crap like that. Imaging doing two BHM penalty laps on the go-home day... They aren't going to simply pay for for the same bid package. Not very many people would like that change in the end.
My point is the company would adapt trip construction and load of that 4-day trip with 4-leg days and crap like that. Imaging doing two BHM penalty laps on the go-home day... They aren't going to simply pay for for the same bid package. Not very many people would like that change in the end.
I think most people come to work to be productive and make money and would rather do that and have an extra day or two off per month. But I guess it needs to be polled to see if I'm completely wrong.
10-17-2025 | 12:51 PM
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FWIW, I think 5:15 is about the sweet spot. My only fear in the polling is if people have fully considered the downstream effects when weighing in. But that's always a risk in polling, I guess. They do ask that exact question on the survey, so they are clearly at least considering it, even if only to exclude it should people reject the idea.
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