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10-15-2025 | 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by crewdawg

No reason to be mad at it. But for every one of you, there is a pilot getting zero, or very little. Good to have it, but a raise for everyone it is not.

international override, reserve payback days, widebody rate banding, and many other things are not a raise for everyone, either.

if someone wants to chase this soft pay, they can bid my seat and have the same 9 hours i got this month.

10-15-2025 | 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by OOfff

international override, reserve payback days, widebody rate banding, and many other things are not a raise for everyone, either.

Ya but putting more into rates IS a pay raise for all.

10-15-2025 | 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AlikesitR

One could assert the lack of soft pay is built into the higher WB pay rates

Not really.

Not all of the NB folks are getting the soft pay all the time every time. However increases in pay rates lift everyone, they are across board. I think that's what crewdawg is saying here.

The focus this contract should be significant pay rate increases. And we should band NB as much as possible to the 75 rate. For the 717 and 220 they should at least be banded to the 220-300 rate at a minimum.

10-15-2025 | 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by crewdawg

Ya but putting more into rates IS a pay raise for all.

we got lay raises for all last contract and we will likely get a pay raise for all in this contract.

why is a pay raise for all preferable this time around and not last time when we loved the banded wb rates?

10-15-2025 | 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by OOfff

we got lay raises for all last contract and we will likely get a pay raise for all in this contract.

The idea is that if the options are dressing up EDP/SIT (or similar) or an even bigger pay raise, I'd take the latter because it would likely have a greater impact for me.

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Originally Posted by OOfff

why is a pay raise for all preferable this time around and not last time when we loved the banded wb rates?

The banding last time just got us aligned with the rest of the industry and I'm glad we got it. Though, I'm not so glad that some fleets were left behind...

10-15-2025 | 08:26 AM

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Here's an idea:

We need to change overrides (like international, and night if we get it) from a dollar amount to a %. International override hasn't changed in years, to my knowledge, and continually becomes less and less of overall pay each time the scales go up. Having overrides as a % automatically bumps those numbers up each time a pilot gets a pay rate increase (PWA or longevity).

10-15-2025 | 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by crewdawg

No reason to be mad at it. But for every one of you, there is a pilot getting zero, or very little. Good to have it, but a raise for everyone it is not.

I didn't want EDP and sit to make money. I wanted it so they would make less fatiguing rotations and if they couldn't, to pay me for my discomfort. Just like I didn't want the calendar day minimum to make more money. I wanted them to stop building 21 hour block 4 days with a calendar day off

10-15-2025 | 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by crewdawg

True, but many seem to be touting it as some great pay raise. I'm glad it's having an impact on trips, but it's not really a raise for many.

"Lots," all 6ish hours so far this year. Better than a kick in the shin, but not exactly a pay raise for all. I'm glad we have it, but I'd rather it stay as is and pour capital into something that pays everyone more.

aren’t you one of the posters who talks about constantly getting rid of their PBS award to fly easy WS trips? If so then I don’t see your point. You choose to get rid of trips with EDP for ones that are easier.

10-15-2025 | 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

Yep. And that's why we created soft pay. Make rotations better and when they don't pay us more.

It's been a win/win

10-15-2025 | 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

I didn't want EDP and sit to make money. I wanted it so they would make less fatiguing rotations and if they couldn't, to pay me for my discomfort. Just like I didn't want the calendar day minimum to make more money. I wanted them to stop building 21 hour block 4 days with a calendar day off

Same. Again, I was for adding EDP/SIT to attempt to do away with some crap rotations and I've never said I was against it.

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Originally Posted by Gone Flying

aren’t you one of the posters who talks about constantly getting rid of their PBS award to fly easy WS trips? If so then I don’t see your point. You choose to get rid of trips with EDP for ones that are easier.

Correct, and I'd prefer that those rotations pay more, not just the trips with EDP/SIT. Those who do fly those trips get an added benefit of a bigger rate for the EDP/SIT hours, not sure why anyone would be against that.