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10-17-2025 | 01:17 PM
#411
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FWIW, I think 5:15 is about the sweet spot. My only fear in the polling is if people have fully considered the downstream effects when weighing in. But that's always a risk in polling, I guess. They do ask that exact question on the survey, so they are clearly at least considering it, even if only to exclude it should people reject the idea.
I personally, and I know I speak for a lot of people I fly with, would much rather get paid ADG and have the lowest block possible than fly a 24 hour 4 day trip.
10-17-2025 | 01:23 PM
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They'd be negligent not to poll about it. Min day credits are talked about every cycle. Thankfully, SK is very familiar with section 23. I imagine they'll run various scenarios through Carmen then poll the pilot group asking if the pilot group wanted to increase the ADG considering it would mean shorter layovers, longer working days and fewer one leg day starts or finishes.
I personally, and I know for a lot of people I fly with, would much rather get paid ADG and have the lowest block possible than fly a 24 hour 4 day trip.
I personally, and I know for a lot of people I fly with, would much rather get paid ADG and have the lowest block possible than fly a 24 hour 4 day trip.
And yes, now that the union has the optimizer they can run these scenarios and how they potentially could play out.
10-17-2025 | 02:13 PM
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They'd be negligent not to poll about it. Min day credits are talked about every cycle. Thankfully, SK is very familiar with section 23. I imagine they'll run various scenarios through Carmen then poll the pilot group asking if the pilot group wanted to increase the ADG considering it would mean shorter layovers, longer working days and fewer one leg day starts or finishes.
I personally, and I know I speak for a lot of people I fly with, would much rather get paid ADG and have the lowest block possible than fly a 24 hour 4 day trip.
I personally, and I know I speak for a lot of people I fly with, would much rather get paid ADG and have the lowest block possible than fly a 24 hour 4 day trip.
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10-17-2025 | 02:15 PM
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10-17-2025 | 02:23 PM
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+ 1 to this. I do NOT want to add to ADG. The company would probably love it - it wouldn't do a thing to international trip pay, and they can really load up the block on domestic trips, getting even more 'work' out of each of us over time.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction when it comes to trip construction. The vast majority probably would hate the result of a 6:00 ADG. Yes, there might be a few examples on the margins where it would be great, but on balance it would be a disaster for QOL, IMO.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction when it comes to trip construction. The vast majority probably would hate the result of a 6:00 ADG. Yes, there might be a few examples on the margins where it would be great, but on balance it would be a disaster for QOL, IMO.
10-17-2025 | 02:39 PM
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Most domestic trips are already bumping up against min rest, duty limits or block limits preventing most trips from getting any worse. Commutability is already terrible. The company is going to have a real hard time further optimizing. A 6ADG would most likely result in at least one more day off for everyone without any loss of pay. I’ll take the extra day off if it means I have to fly a few extra hours on a 4 day.
Thankfully ALPA has access to the optimizer ("Carmen"), and can see the results changes like this spit out. I would strongly encourage you to talk to your reps about it - you'd be surprised.
10-17-2025 | 02:43 PM
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Ohhhh, gotta disagree with you there. The trips can most certainly get worse. You can't cherry pick one trip. Remember, these are averages across a whole bid package. If the company could fly us an average of an additional :45 minutes a day, they 100% would. Every single trip would be terrible, instead of only the junk that goes junior. And they's pat themselves on the back for saving another 500-1000 pilots worth of productivity, and cash their MIP checks before you can call the van for the layover.
Thankfully ALPA has access to the optimizer ("Carmen"), and can see the results changes like this spit out. I would strongly encourage you to talk to your reps about it - you'd be surprised.
Thankfully ALPA has access to the optimizer ("Carmen"), and can see the results changes like this spit out. I would strongly encourage you to talk to your reps about it - you'd be surprised.
10-17-2025 | 02:56 PM
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I understand that raising ADG would incentivize them to squeeze more productivity out of us though, but I guess some of us are fine with that and others aren't. I'm almost 100% sure the company would not want to raise ADG and would love to lower it. It gives the company much more flexibility the lower ADG is.
10-17-2025 | 03:15 PM
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They try to do this now. 5:15 is not a maximum. They can build trips as productively as they want.
I understand that raising ADG would incentivize them to squeeze more productivity out of us though, but I guess some of us are fine with that and others aren't. I'm almost 100% sure the company would not want to raise ADG and would love to lower it. It gives the company much more flexibility the lower ADG is.
I understand that raising ADG would incentivize them to squeeze more productivity out of us though, but I guess some of us are fine with that and others aren't. I'm almost 100% sure the company would not want to raise ADG and would love to lower it. It gives the company much more flexibility the lower ADG is.
IF they could force everyone to work more per day, they would need fewer pilots. There will always be the one day turns to AUA or PUJ that pay 8 hours. Now imagine if every trip could be made like that. How many pilots would they need on the SL? More or less? The same number of block hours flown by fewer pilots. Macro.
Don't take my word for it, ask your reps.
10-17-2025 | 03:37 PM
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Again, respectfully disagree. You are looking at micro examples. You have to look at the macro level.
IF they could force everyone to work more per day, they would need fewer pilots. There will always be the one day turns to AUA or PUJ that pay 8 hours. Now imagine if every trip could be made like that. How many pilots would they need on the SL? More or less? The same number of block hours flown by fewer pilots. Macro.
Don't take my word for it, ask your reps.
IF they could force everyone to work more per day, they would need fewer pilots. There will always be the one day turns to AUA or PUJ that pay 8 hours. Now imagine if every trip could be made like that. How many pilots would they need on the SL? More or less? The same number of block hours flown by fewer pilots. Macro.
Don't take my word for it, ask your reps.
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