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10-17-2025 | 09:25 AM

#381

tennisguru

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Originally Posted by PilotJ3

Correct. This is the time to bring it up to 5:15 everything. 5:15 for Training days and Vacations.

Those are pay raises for everyone. What some don’t understand is that QOL item means you’ll fly less for equal money = more days off for extra flying if desired = More Money at the end AT YOUR DISCRETION, not imposed by PBS.

Along those lines, I’d like to see the formula adjusted (especially if we get another increase in VAC pay) so that in a month with vacation reserve pilots would be on the hook for fewer LC days. For example, in Nov, with an ALV of 72 and the extra X day, a pilot defaults to 16 on call days. 7 days of vacation bumps the pay to 87:17 but still with 12 LC days. If we bump VAC from 4:35 to 5:15 that’s just going to drive them pay over 90 hours but still have 12 days on call. I’d rather keep the same or a tad less pay but then need only say 10 LC days for the bid period. 2 weeks of vacation right now is over 102 hours but still 8 LC days. Again with a VAC value bump I’d say keep the pay the same but adjust the formula so that you’d only need 4-5 LC days for the bid period.

10-17-2025 | 10:24 AM

#382

FangsF15

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Originally Posted by PilotJ3

The beauty of this kind of thing is that it goes under the radar for Noncons. They just look at our pay rates and have no clue on work rules or trip rigs. Mgmt gets to say they kept out pay (rate) down while we are happy with the W2. Win-win.

10-17-2025 | 10:28 AM

#383

m3113n1a1

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Originally Posted by FangsF15

Bingo. I'd also like to increase ADG to 6. Or, even better, make it a true 6 min day (doubt we could get that though).

10-17-2025 | 11:13 AM

#384

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

When did we vote to reject training and vacation pay of 5:15?

Don’t know and have no idea how that relates to what I posted. If you are truly a QOL pilot what you should be asking for is 5:15 pay and credit! Regardless however of the value it should be pay and credit!

10-17-2025 | 11:19 AM

#385

m3113n1a1

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Fine with me!

10-17-2025 | 11:21 AM

#386

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

If QOL is important the most significant single change you can do would be to make training and vacations pay and credit. This was virtually 100% rejected by the bottom not top of the seniority list. When I have posted it on here it’s rejected by most.

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When did we vote to reject training and vacation pay of 5:15?

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

This you? .....

10-17-2025 | 11:25 AM

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Buck Rogers

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This you? .....

You understand he is talking about it being CREDIT as well as pay? You are talking about only pay.

10-17-2025 | 11:26 AM

#388

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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

You understand he is talking about it being CREDIT as well as pay? You are talking about only pay.

No I'm not. I'm asking when we 100% rejected it being 5:15 pay and credit. I was junior and I didn't vote against that.

10-17-2025 | 11:29 AM

#389

m3113n1a1

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No I'm not. I'm asking when we 100% rejected it being 5:15 pay and credit. I was junior and I didn't vote against that.

Where are you getting 5:15 from? He's just talking about making it credit. Apparently it must have been floated back in sailing's day and "100% rejected."

I'm all for it though!