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12-04-2025 | 09:56 AM
#1301
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they've already started covering open time trips earlier which in the long run is helping the pilot group. you guys brow beating the farmers isn't going to solve anything. this will be solved at the negotiating table...we have the leverage and some of you are tearing down your own union members.
12-04-2025 | 09:56 AM
#1302
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Which is completely beside the point because the company created this problem, continues to perpetuate the problem, has shown almost no inclination toward changing the problem, and are the ones who created and control literally all of the processes used in this scenario.
But let's not act they are doing it for the greater good of holding the company accountable.
12-04-2025 | 09:57 AM
#1303
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zero. there are about 20ish pilots senior to me (from looking at the arcos callout log) that are playing the game.
this is about principle. that #1 guy in my category who has had 7 23m7 trips this month is doing nothing wrong. its a contract loophole that is in delta's best interest to close.
they've already started covering open time trips earlier which in the long run is helping the pilot group. you guys brow beating the farmers isn't going to solve anything. this will be solved at the negotiating table...we have the leverage and some of you are tearing down your own union members.
this is about principle. that #1 guy in my category who has had 7 23m7 trips this month is doing nothing wrong. its a contract loophole that is in delta's best interest to close.
they've already started covering open time trips earlier which in the long run is helping the pilot group. you guys brow beating the farmers isn't going to solve anything. this will be solved at the negotiating table...we have the leverage and some of you are tearing down your own union members.
12-04-2025 | 09:59 AM
#1304
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Of course they aren’t. They’re taking maximum advantage of a situation they just happen to find themselves in, as would 90% of the people on the list. It’s still a company problem to solve.
12-04-2025 | 10:03 AM
#1305
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Yes, they are using the situation to their advantage like they are allowed. But there are consequences for other pilots.
12-04-2025 | 10:06 AM
#1306
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From: Blue Juice Taste Tester
Which is completely beside the point because the company created this problem, continues to perpetuate the problem, has shown almost no inclination toward changing the problem, and are the ones who created and control literally all of the processes used in this scenario.
And by the way, I'm not siding with the company. I'm seeing this causing anger, frustration and division amongst pilots. Plenty feel like they're being harmed. And even if you manage to change my mind and have me agree with you, that still doesn't negate the fact that the union has a messaging problem because most pilots see the actions of a greedy few harming the many.
12-04-2025 | 10:09 AM
#1307
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Joined: Jan 2021
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what can the company do to fix this?
1. how about hire more pilots -> better reserve coverage. helps all of us
2. VAS? i haven't seen that used -> helps all of us.
3. let guys volunteer for more than 6 SC's -> helpful for local reserve guys
4. cover trips in open time earlier -> helps commuters
5. offer more SLV slips when coverage looks tight -> helps everyone
stop throwing spears at the pilots. the company has tools to fix this...we all want jets to go out on time. this is their problem. we were all hired not to help delta smooth out trip coverage, but to fly airplanes.
12-04-2025 | 10:12 AM
#1308
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I really wasn’t tearing down other members. I said, I don’t blame those joining in the free-for-all. I’m just saying that I see both sides of it. And that doesn’t make me a Kool-Aid drinker or a company man. I just know what it takes to run a company and so I see all sides. I agree with one of your points, though; if I was to join in the free-for-all, it really would be just to get the company to solve it. And no, I wouldn’t turn down the extra pay either. Like you said, maybe that’s what pushed them to start coverage earlier and also to rush the updates to Arcos.
you absolutely were tearing down other members. and i quote:
"There will always be people strictly out for themselves. While we have to hold the company to the contract, there’s also the fact that they are trying to run a business; of course, most of these “smart” farmers have no idea what that entails. It’s unfortunate that a few ruin things for the many. And now it’s just a free for all because why not join instead of watching every pilot Junior to you take home 23m7 in addition to piggybacking by getting an inverse assignment. I get why people are hoping the crowd, it’s just unfortunate that it’s screwing our own brothers."
12-04-2025 | 10:15 AM
#1309
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12-04-2025 | 10:16 AM
#1310
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you absolutely were tearing down other members. and i quote:
"There will always be people strictly out for themselves. While we have to hold the company to the contract, there’s also the fact that they are trying to run a business; of course, most of these “smart” farmers have no idea what that entails. It’s unfortunate that a few ruin things for the many. And now it’s just a free for all because why not join instead of watching every pilot Junior to you take home 23m7 in addition to piggybacking by getting an inverse assignment. I get why people are hoping the crowd, it’s just unfortunate that it’s screwing our own brothers."
"There will always be people strictly out for themselves. While we have to hold the company to the contract, there’s also the fact that they are trying to run a business; of course, most of these “smart” farmers have no idea what that entails. It’s unfortunate that a few ruin things for the many. And now it’s just a free for all because why not join instead of watching every pilot Junior to you take home 23m7 in addition to piggybacking by getting an inverse assignment. I get why people are hoping the crowd, it’s just unfortunate that it’s screwing our own brothers."
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