Originally Posted by Meme In Command

Sick question:

So I was below 50 hrs of sick used before the memo passed.
So if I call sick now, my look back next year will show below 50hrs regardless?

Originally Posted by flyskisail

I really hope we can figure out a way to end all the QHCP, gfb, look back blah blah nonsense. It’s all anyone is talking about. And it really does nothing in the end. It may have worked in the 80s, when you had to call a doc, drive there, have him fill form, fax it in, etc. now it’s a nothing burger with teledoc. My tummy hurt, ok here’s a note, give me 30 bucks. Done in less than 20 mins. Just make it personal time. Let’s be done with it and move on.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

Not really. I want to go back to what we used to have. GS’s covered everything and seniority mattered.

Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux

Slogging through this thread (I'm not senior enough to join the party via paycheck. Plus: lazy.)

"Show me a company with a 200 page contract, and I'll show you a company that's going to get screwed by someone who actually read all 200 pages" - C Munger.

"The law prohibits many things, but contracts are made to be broken by those clever enough to find the door left ajar." - J. Giradot

"A contract is just a starting point for future litigation." - proverbial.

"If a man signs a contract without reading it, he may find himself bound by clauses he never dreamed existed. The courts will not save him from his own carelessness--NOR SHOULD THEY" - Denning.

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Personal opinion? (no one cares): At the end of the day, we all have to work together. Senior pilots exploiting loopholes now won't suffer much when they're closed in the next contract/bankruptcy.

But the junior pilots sure will. "Brotherhood" is mostly marketing.

Not especially interested in working with a management team that actively hates pilots. That seems to be the vibe we're working towards though. All so we can protect the top 5% in category or so to exploit loopholes for profit and for "leverage."

TLDR: Long term contracts are for mutual advantage, not short term gain. This is a multiple decade career for most.

Interesting to watch from the sidelines.

Fact is, a constant adversarial relationship might be the best for pilots.

Originally Posted by StartngOvr

GS goes before OOBWS would solve it….

Originally Posted by m3113n1a1

If we made OOBWS a step below GS in coverage, a lot of our problems would be solved. I doubt the company would go for this, but possibly. Some pilots wouldn't be happy either.

Personally, I think QS will help when it's implemented. I also think eventually the company will get tired of paying 300% for so many trips and probably staff the airline correctly. But we shall see.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

I would eliminate auto accept on OOBWS without even getting anything in return. Lol.

Originally Posted by OpsCheckOK

BOOM. This. Yep. There will always be people strictly out for themselves. While we have to hold the company to the contract....

Originally Posted by BashiChuni

stop right there. 23M7 "farming" is pilots holding the company to the contract.

what's delta gonna give us to "solve" their trip coverage dilemma? don't be mad at the smart guys who sniped an aspect of trip coverage to benefit their QOL and paycheck.

and everyone is selfish in this business. you're gonna tell me that you'd turn down free 23m7 if you could get it? to "help" the company run their business? GMAB.