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12-02-2025 | 10:44 AM
#1171
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From: Blue Juice Taste Tester
I hear you. But what does "properly staffed" mean on this current moment in time? What percentage of a BES gets to sit at home with a blank line collecting 23M7 while the rest of the crabs in the bucket fight on the phone for an IA? What has reserve utilization looked like in the past few months since this whole thing erupted?
12-02-2025 | 10:46 AM
#1172
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CS has several ways to solve that:
1) Give out VAS. Especially with forecast IROP weather.
2) Give out more SC 7+ to those who request it, especially with forecast IROP weather.
3) Assign GS two days out, instead of breaking them up and using up 3 RES pilots with double DH to cover a multi day trip.
4) Give out more SS weeks in advance when you see thin reserve manning
5) Give out more PBS premium rotations a month in advance when you see thin manning
6) Offer premium reserve days in advance when you see thin manning
7) Run automated coverage faster so at least **some** of those trips can be properly covered 12 hours out instead of sitting unattended and being pushed into emergency coverage.
8) Hire more (pilots and schedulers).
Should I go on? Auto accept is not the problem.
1) Give out VAS. Especially with forecast IROP weather.
2) Give out more SC 7+ to those who request it, especially with forecast IROP weather.
3) Assign GS two days out, instead of breaking them up and using up 3 RES pilots with double DH to cover a multi day trip.
4) Give out more SS weeks in advance when you see thin reserve manning
5) Give out more PBS premium rotations a month in advance when you see thin manning
6) Offer premium reserve days in advance when you see thin manning
7) Run automated coverage faster so at least **some** of those trips can be properly covered 12 hours out instead of sitting unattended and being pushed into emergency coverage.
8) Hire more (pilots and schedulers).
Should I go on? Auto accept is not the problem.
BTW, what's a SIL?
12-02-2025 | 10:50 AM
#1173
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I'm arguing we will never know because we already "solved" the problem. And the fog of numbers isn't even enough to start the conversation. It was a rush to do "something" when we didn't need to do anything. And got nothing, except an ALPA endorsement of the current practice and a pinky swear.
and the “alpa endorsement of current practice” is not, since it changed the coverage system and includes hard lockouts to identify proper payment in the moment. i get that you’re opposed to it, but why intentionally mischaracterize it?
12-02-2025 | 10:50 AM
#1174
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I hear you. But what does "properly staffed" mean on this current moment in time? What percentage of a BES gets to sit at home with a blank line collecting 23M7 while the rest of the crabs in the bucket fight on the phone for an IA? What has reserve utilization looked like in the past few months since this whole thing erupted?
Ignore the past it was all a lie! The world has no meaning.
Precedent... schmesident. It doesn't suit me, so I'll blow it up.
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12-02-2025 | 10:51 AM
#1175
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CS has several ways to solve that:
1) Give out VAS. Especially with forecast IROP weather.
2) Give out more SC 7+ to those who request it, especially with forecast IROP weather.
3) Assign GS two days out, instead of breaking them up and using up 3 RES pilots with double DH to cover a multi day trip.
4) Give out more SS weeks in advance when you see thin reserve manning
5) Give out more PBS premium rotations a month in advance when you see thin manning
6) Offer premium reserve days in advance when you see thin manning
7) Run automated coverage faster so at least **some** of those trips can be properly covered 12 hours out instead of sitting unattended and being pushed into emergency coverage.
8) Hire more (pilots and schedulers).
Should I go on? Auto accept is not the problem.
1) Give out VAS. Especially with forecast IROP weather.
2) Give out more SC 7+ to those who request it, especially with forecast IROP weather.
3) Assign GS two days out, instead of breaking them up and using up 3 RES pilots with double DH to cover a multi day trip.
4) Give out more SS weeks in advance when you see thin reserve manning
5) Give out more PBS premium rotations a month in advance when you see thin manning
6) Offer premium reserve days in advance when you see thin manning
7) Run automated coverage faster so at least **some** of those trips can be properly covered 12 hours out instead of sitting unattended and being pushed into emergency coverage.
8) Hire more (pilots and schedulers).
Should I go on? Auto accept is not the problem.
the rest don’t help a lot with close-in coverage
12-02-2025 | 10:53 AM
#1176
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12-02-2025 | 10:56 AM
#1177
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you’ll never know, but you know it would have been better.
and the “alpa endorsement of current practice” is not, since it changed the coverage system and includes hard lockouts to identify proper payment in the moment. i get that you’re opposed to it, but why intentionally mischaracterize it?
and the “alpa endorsement of current practice” is not, since it changed the coverage system and includes hard lockouts to identify proper payment in the moment. i get that you’re opposed to it, but why intentionally mischaracterize it?
12-02-2025 | 11:01 AM
#1178
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How's that lockout workin for ya now? And yes, ALPA agreed to allow the current situation until the company decides. Nothing has changed. I know it could have been better, maybe by just adding a finite date with a 2x 23M7 payout penalty. Who knows how good it could have been, exactly!
12-02-2025 | 11:02 AM
#1179
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From: Blue Juice Taste Tester
The pilot group AND CS have crossed a Rubicon. IA's are not going back to the old days of hunting the plug down at the jet bridge. And even if scheduling walked back the batch size deal it's not going to stop pilots from submitting slips on an attempt to farm 23M7. The effort to reward ratio is too good.
This is going to lead to a reworking of the coverage ladder, and we handed them auto accept when we took the QS. The other 16,000 pilots not in this forum are happy to stop paying a few dozen 23M7 farmers to go back to the old status quo of Arcos calling every now and then with a GS.
A lot of people here may disagree, but the average joe flying the line thinks the farmers sitting at home with no intent to fly are part of the problem.
12-02-2025 | 11:09 AM
#1180
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What part of ALPA agreed to allow the current policy to stand, don't you understand? I'm not the one who said we re-affirmed previous agreements but it's either true or not. If true then it's writing into compliance, and if not then this MOU was for nothing.
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