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12-02-2025 | 08:03 AM

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We didn't need to act and we got nothing for it. What was the rush with no debate or memrat?

assuming that’s all true and everyone agrees it is:

what leverage do we have to actually fix this problem in a different way, and what should we have gotten instead?

12-02-2025 | 08:11 AM

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We didn't need to act and we got nothing for it. What was the rush with no debate or memrat?

Even if it went to memrat, from conversations in the cockpit, it would've passed. Then what? Another month without a solution.

The debate happened, that's why you elect reps. The reps you don't talk to apparently.

12-02-2025 | 08:13 AM

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assuming that’s all true and everyone agrees it is:

what leverage do we have to actually fix this problem in a different way, and what should we have gotten instead?

That's what is unclear. What to do is the question not how fast can we do something. Have the debate and put the numbers out so we can make informed decisions and provide real input. I don't have an answer for you because we have nothing but hindsight guesstimations. HAVE THE CONVERSATION.

12-02-2025 | 08:16 AM

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And how have we solved the "problem?" I'm still waiting for a solution. The reps that must field 17000+ phone calls to provide each of us with information apparently. Those reps? 17 of them so 17000 x 17 different answers is a great way to inform the constituents, right?

12-02-2025 | 08:17 AM

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you still have yet to define a goal to have the conversation about, but you’re talking about what we should have gotten.

12-02-2025 | 08:21 AM

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you still have yet to define a goal to have the conversation about, but you’re talking about what we should have gotten.

#1 we should have gotten a vote. That would have required a presentation of the facts and issues. If we have leverage then there's a discussion about how to use it, why are you opposed to this?

12-02-2025 | 08:26 AM

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#1 we should have gotten a vote. That would have required a presentation of the facts and issues. If we have leverage then there's a discussion about how to use it, why are you opposed to this?

i’m not against it. i’d be and have been all for it.

let’s have the conversation now about what leverage we have and should/should have use(d).

numerous people have said we “solved the company’s problem,” but i still haven’t seen anyone elucidate what that problem is/was.

12-02-2025 | 09:16 AM

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#1 we should have gotten a vote. That would have required a presentation of the facts and issues. If we have leverage then there's a discussion about how to use it, why are you opposed to this?

im not opposed to a vote but there was absolutely no need for one. If you disagree, tell your reps. If enough people disagree, they’ll start holding (meaningless) votes. They are elected and will ultimately do what a majority of their constituents want. I strongly suspect most people don’t feel as you do, or at least not strongly enough to care, and that’s why votes don’t happen.

The MOU further codified previous settlement agreements that the company had been violating, changed the 23M7/IA process from a chaotic, seniority-abrogating mess into an orderly and efficient process, and did so without a single concession, all while also maintaining the same level 23M7 pay (which a lot of suggestions on here would’ve reduced).

12-02-2025 | 09:18 AM

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agree with ooff. A vote just means we talk more. What is the purpose of that?

12-02-2025 | 09:18 AM

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That's the question, I think it was defined as timely coverage being the issue. That's top secret now. Our "problem" was IAs and no seniority assignments. The leverage if we had/have it is the cost which I don't think is as much of a motivator as some people think.