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Old 12-08-2025 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ancman
What data do you have to support that claim?

If management believes there is an uptick in sick calls, unrelated to cold/flu season, then they’ll simply increase GFB calls. We have two sick verification programs. Suspending one without suspending the other was functionally useless.
The more they bad faith basis call pilots, the faster the word is going to spread how easy it is to get a doctor’s note through telehealth. Download the Galileo app, be chatting with the doctor 20 minutes later, have your note by the end of the day. Don’t even have to get out of bed. The BFB calls will no longer be the scary bogeyman the company wants them to be.
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Old 12-08-2025 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
The more they bad faith basis call pilots, the faster the word is going to spread how easy it is to get a doctor’s note through telehealth. Download the Galileo app, be chatting with the doctor 20 minutes later, have your note by the end of the day. Don’t even have to get out of bed. The BFB calls will no longer be the scary bogeyman the company wants them to be.
I agree that GFB is mostly a non-issue and doesn’t even stop sick abuse, but in management’s eyes it’s a direct replacement for our sick verification program. 25-05 needed to contain firm deadlines and consequential penalties.
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Old 12-08-2025 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by texas1970
Coverage ladder worked great at a smaller airline that was fully staffed with available reserve pilots. It was never meant for the airline to both grow this big and run this lean.

The company has evidently decided it is cheaper to pay 3x than to hire new pilots to sit reserve. That is their choice. Quick slips will solve the IA free for all, but obviously will not level 23M7 payments.
Not only will QS not level 23M7, it will concentrate them. The senior pilot will get all payments because the harmed pilot will be the first up at the next step of coverage since they must run an entire coverage step before skipping. 23M7 will get less distribution, not more.
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Old 12-08-2025 | 08:37 AM
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Not only will QS not level 23M7, it will concentrate them. The senior pilot will get all payments because the harmed pilot will be the first up at the next step of coverage since they must run an entire coverage step before skipping. 23M7 will get less distribution, not more.
They don’t even try to run coverage anymore. Just let trips sit for hours, then inside 8 hours, blast everyone for IA.
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Old 12-08-2025 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
They don’t even try to run coverage anymore. Just let trips sit for hours, then inside 8 hours, blast everyone for IA.
Yes, your point? I'm talking about if/when QS is implemented it will be good (better than now) to be #1.
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Old 12-08-2025 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Yes, your point? I'm talking about if/when QS is implemented it will be good (better than now) to be #1.
Yup. The only individual that enjoys the luxury of a 12 min auto accept/acknowledge window will be #1.
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Old 12-08-2025 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Not only will QS not level 23M7, it will concentrate them. The senior pilot will get all payments because the harmed pilot will be the first up at the next step of coverage since they must run an entire coverage step before skipping. 23M7 will get less distribution, not more.
the MOU was not intended to level 23M7. The MOU was intended to stop side deals and essentially turn the de facto IA step into a seniority order step. Leveling 23M7, or changing it in other ways, is for Section 6.
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Old 12-08-2025 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by texas1970
the MOU was not intended to level 23M7. The MOU was intended to stop side deals and essentially turn the de facto IA step into a seniority order step. Leveling 23M7, or changing it in other ways, is for Section 6.
I know, I was just expanding on your 23M7 discussion. QS guarantees the #1 WSer never has to work. I shouldn't be giving away my strategy but I'm convinced nobody will down bid to be that guy.
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Old 12-08-2025 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by GutterGuard
If YS < 18 hours to report is a proffer, even res pilots could get 23m7 in theory?
In theory, yes. If the trip actually made it through WS/OOBWS and was in the YS step, and THEN coverage was skipped with 23M7. It would just be pay/credit towards guarantee though, just like a YS.

But that would be silly of them to 23M7 the YS step, because YS aren't proffers. They would just award the trip to you and move on. It would be just like using 23M7 in the LC step of coverage with an available LC pilot. In theory, they could 23M7, but it would never make sense to not just assign the trip.
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Old 12-08-2025 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ancman
I agree that GFB is mostly a non-issue and doesn’t even stop sick abuse, but in management’s eyes it’s a direct replacement for our sick verification program. 25-05 needed to contain firm deadlines and consequential penalties.
Didn't the L4 settlement have strict timelines and a hefty cash penalty? They blew right through and said “yea, we’re not paying that”.

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