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Originally Posted by Meme In Command
(Post 3990031)
Not being excessive is absolutely fair. Too much and it's not funny anymore. "Would this annoy Fangs" is a reasonable Rubicon
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 3989950)
Correct and because it’s called “inverse assignment,” we have junior pilots that think they are entitled to the premium trips first. They are ignoring the fact that the company is skipping the entire trip coverage ladder.
I heard a rumor that the company made $100 million in 23.M.7 payments in December alone. I remember the company getting angry because it thought the pilot group was abusing sick leave by $42 million per yer. This is shaping up to be $1.2 billion per yer. My prediction is we get a contract 6 months early because the company needs this fixed ASAP. Or they’ll just unilaterally disable Auto Accept and take it to mediation claiming clogging the system wasn’t the intent. |
Originally Posted by SawF16
(Post 3990326)
it will definitely be the “must fix” for the company.
Or they’ll just unilaterally disable Auto Accept and take it to mediation claiming clogging the system wasn’t the intent. |
Originally Posted by SawF16
(Post 3990326)
Or they’ll just unilaterally disable Auto Accept and take it to mediation claiming clogging the system wasn’t the intent.
Even if Delta disabled auto accept or if the MEC voted in a MOU to get rid of it (god forbid), pilots will still MANUALLY raise their hand for close-in coverage. Yes --- pilot's won't be able to put their phones in DND overnight with auto-accept on like many do now. But when the phone rings and there's a chance for M7, pilots will absolutely raise their hand in ARCOS. I see some doing it now yet never fly anything after being awarded a trip. The cat is out of the bag. Pilot's are 100% forcing the company to invoke 23M7 in hopes of being the paid pilot. Once QS gets here, have at it! As a pilot who lives ~2 hrs. from base, I think having 200 OOBWS pilots with AA will help many in base pilots get their crack at QS #2, #3 etc. Time will tell. Not sure about you all but I would be okay with ALL same-day OT getting awarded as QS. Larger categories will 100% have that ability to force the issue. It's snowballing to that point now with IA (albeit with the free-for-all, non-seniority & deal making bs). For those of you all upset about this new paradigm shift, I'm sorry. Take the 50,000' view. This hurts the company way more than it hurts the pilot group. The entire pilot group as a WHOLE is making MORE $ due this new normal. I understand you may not be, but I'm guessing that you can afford it. Getting furious about your missed GS for a couple of months is short term thinking. Get onboard or just keep complaining, but 23M7 is not going to change any time soon. For the near term it will just continue to snowball. But hey.... maybe just maybe you can learn about becoming a farmer and make up some of that difference?! All jokes aside, once QS gets here (hopefully in 2/3 months) much of the pilot pain points of this trip coverage mess we are in get mostly solved. Remember.... we are in for the long game!!! FWIW, I spoke to my rep today and they said the $100M figure for December was VERY inflated. He wouldn't give me the exact figure they had but said even though it's no where near $100M/month it's still absolutely getting noticed. That's a wonderful thing for section 6! H-O-L-D T-H-E L-I-N-E P.S. And for the record, I'm 100% on-board with this all changing and being "fixed" in the next contract. But it better not come free (a la batch sizes)!!! |
^^^ I agree.
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Originally Posted by IflyAeroPlanes
(Post 3992635)
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For those of you all upset about this new paradigm shift, I'm sorry. Take the 50,000' view. This hurts the company way more than it hurts the pilot group. The entire pilot group as a WHOLE is making MORE $ due this new normal. I understand you may not be, but I'm guessing that you can afford it. Getting furious about your missed GS for a couple of months is short term thinking. Get onboard or just keep complaining, but 23M7 is not going to change any time soon. For the near term it will just continue to snowball. But hey.... maybe just maybe you can learn about becoming a farmer and make up some of that difference?! All jokes aside, once QS gets here (hopefully in 2/3 months) much of the pilot pain points of this trip coverage mess we are in get mostly solved. Remember.... we are in for the long game!!! H-O-L-D T-H-E L-I-N-E Just pass the cake…. Come on Milton, “you can afford a missed GS”. :rolleyes: https://makeagif.com/i/Uwx8wPhttps://thedailywtf.com/images/remy/miltonnocake.jpg |
Originally Posted by IflyAeroPlanes
(Post 3992635)
We aren't 2nd-order thinking everyone!!!
Even if Delta disabled auto accept or if the MEC voted in a MOU to get rid of it (god forbid), pilots will still MANUALLY raise their hand for close-in coverage. Yes --- pilot's won't be able to put their phones in DND overnight with auto-accept on like many do now. But when the phone rings and there's a chance for M7, pilots will absolutely raise their hand in ARCOS. I see some doing it now yet never fly anything after being awarded a trip. The cat is out of the bag. Pilot's are 100% forcing the company to invoke 23M7 in hopes of being the paid pilot. Once QS gets here, have at it! As a pilot who lives ~2 hrs. from base, I think having 200 OOBWS pilots with AA will help many in base pilots get their crack at QS #2, #3 etc. Time will tell. Not sure about you all but I would be okay with ALL same-day OT getting awarded as QS. Larger categories will 100% have that ability to force the issue. It's snowballing to that point now with IA (albeit with the free-for-all, non-seniority & deal making bs). For those of you all upset about this new paradigm shift, I'm sorry. Take the 50,000' view. This hurts the company way more than it hurts the pilot group. The entire pilot group as a WHOLE is making MORE $ due this new normal. I understand you may not be, but I'm guessing that you can afford it. Getting furious about your missed GS for a couple of months is short term thinking. Get onboard or just keep complaining, but 23M7 is not going to change any time soon. For the near term it will just continue to snowball. But hey.... maybe just maybe you can learn about becoming a farmer and make up some of that difference?! All jokes aside, once QS gets here (hopefully in 2/3 months) much of the pilot pain points of this trip coverage mess we are in get mostly solved. Remember.... we are in for the long game!!! FWIW, I spoke to my rep today and they said the $100M figure for December was VERY inflated. He wouldn't give me the exact figure they had but said even though it's no where near $100M/month it's still absolutely getting noticed. That's a wonderful thing for section 6! H-O-L-D T-H-E L-I-N-E P.S. And for the record, I'm 100% on-board with this all changing and being "fixed" in the next contract. But it better not come free (a la batch sizes)!!! That being said I am not engaging in dealmaking, am not struggling financially, and can afford to live without premium pay. It still doesn’t make it right. Losing $50-100k in earnings isn’t chump change. |
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 3992680)
Easy to tell everyone else to hold the line. I am personally losing at least 21 hours per month in earnings. Those 21 hours used to required half a day’s work. Watching my trips go to pilots almost two decades junior to me is infuriating.
That being said I am not engaging in dealmaking, am not struggling financially, and can afford to live without premium pay. It still doesn’t make it right. Losing $50-100k in earnings isn’t chump change. |
Imma need y'all to stop blaming junior for ANY of this. We ain't the ones clogging up the system. Plenty of us haven't got any IAs or 23M7. I'm just here sulking in my juniority 🎻
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
(Post 3992688)
Thoughts and prayers. First it took you 15 years to be able to "hold" captain and now this...I hope things turn around for you.
Saying that a trip went to someone two decades junior to him isn’t blaming the junior person as the cause; it is lamenting the fact that patiently-earned seniority no longer carries weight. All of that is valid. |
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