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Old 02-20-2026 | 02:19 PM
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I would love to know how the company can fix this within the realm of the PWA with 140 OOBWS with AA on for every base. The math doesn’t work.

We can have double the amount of pilots and it wouldn’t fix that. Planes still break, weather mucks up network. Somehow trips still need to be covered.
This is the part all the "it's the company's fault" people always ignore and never address.
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Old 02-20-2026 | 02:21 PM
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In the end, what QS will really accomplish for the pilot group is guaranteeing that no commuter EVER gets a GS. That's a problem.
While Im a bit worried QSs are going to result in fewer GSs available to commuters, I recently got a GS with less than 8 hours to report. There are a lot of flights between my domicile and my home, so that helps make it possible. But isn’t QS just inverse IA? GS should still be attainable for commuters. Amiright?
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Old 02-20-2026 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey
I would love to know how the company can fix this within the realm of the PWA with 140 OOBWS with AA on for every base. The math doesn’t work.

We can have double the amount of pilots and it wouldn’t fix that. Planes still break, weather mucks up network. Somehow trips still need to be covered.
This. The "coverage issues" will not be fixed by hiring more schedulers. It has nothing to do with that. More schedulers will do nothing but stare at multiple 12-minute timers counting down.
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Old 02-20-2026 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Meme In Command
This is the part all the "it's the company's fault" people always ignore and never address.
It’s been addressed 100 times on this thread and others, like a broken record.

The pilot group didn’t push itself into using ARCOS. The pilot group didn’t try to strip away agreed-upon batch size rules. The pilot group didn’t create the system of proffers and individual 12-minute windows that we now have today.

The entire mess was built by management. It’s like watching a city build a woefully inadequate system of roads, and then blaming the drivers for using them.
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Old 02-20-2026 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Speed Select
While Im a bit worried QSs are going to result in fewer GSs available to commuters, I recently got a GS with less than 8 hours to report. There are a lot of flights between my domicile and my home, so that helps make it possible. But isn’t QS just inverse IA? GS should still be attainable for commuters. Amiright?
Honestly I don't know. I just think that the way things work, it will take 12-minutes to go through every OOBWS/Reserve/Yellow/GS/etc, until finally they get to the point where they just hit "QS". If that happens to be outside the time required to commute, bully. But if not, then they're going to accumulate to those who live within a couple hours' drive to the base.
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Old 02-20-2026 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Speed Select
While Im a bit worried QSs are going to result in fewer GSs available to commuters, I recently got a GS with less than 8 hours to report. There are a lot of flights between my domicile and my home, so that helps make it possible. But isn’t QS just inverse IA? GS should still be attainable for commuters. Amiright?
GS will still be awarded, as they only cost the company 200% when 23M7 is not used. Almost every use of QS will involve 23M7, which means the company will be paying 300% for each. They will still attempt to use GS first, especially when a trip is open many hours prior to report time.
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Old 02-20-2026 | 03:29 PM
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It’s been addressed 100 times on this thread and others, like a broken record.

The pilot group didn’t push itself into using ARCOS. The pilot group didn’t try to strip away agreed-upon batch size rules. The pilot group didn’t create the system of proffers and individual 12-minute windows that we now have today.

The entire mess was built by management. It’s like watching a city build a woefully inadequate system of roads, and then blaming the drivers for using them.
You've mentioned a 100 times the company forced the pilots to cook an egg. Now you've made it crystal clear it's the company's fault. Great. You have not once addressed what to do about all the eggs that cannot be uncooked and put back into the shell.
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Old 02-20-2026 | 03:33 PM
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You've mentioned a 100 times the company forced the pilots to cook an egg. Now you've made it crystal clear it's the company's fault. Great. You have not once addressed what to do about all the eggs that cannot be uncooked and put back into the shell.
It’s 100% management’s problem to solve and pay for, not ours. Especially after 3/2 when QS goes active.
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Old 02-20-2026 | 04:11 PM
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It’s 100% management’s problem to solve and pay for, not ours. Especially after 3/2 when QS goes active.
Doesn't mean I can't voice what I want for it, or what is be willing to negotiate for it. Saying it's the company's problem to fix and saying what is like to see fixed are not mutually exclusive
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Old 02-20-2026 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Meme In Command
Doesn't mean I can't voice what I want for it, or what is be willing to negotiate for it. Saying it's the company's problem to fix and saying what is like to see fixed are not mutually exclusive
Of course, but I was responding to your complaint that those of us who see it as the company’s fault aren’t doing enough to negotiate solutions in public.

I’ll let the NC handle that. I’ve communicated my own desires for the contract via my reps and the survey, as all pilots should have.
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