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#2141
I have a similar feeling about all those short notice trips that I've built my strategy on and have effectively executed for the last few years. I stayed senior on a junior fleet to take advantage this type of flying. Now I watch as they get sent IA that I can't ever seem to get.
#2142
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2013
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#2143
The definition of IA used to align with the application: a gate agent or landline phone call telling you that you were working Christmas. Double pay eased the pain.
The definition of IA hasn’t changed but the application has changed to mean a voluntary call back for FCFS. Been this “new” way for a long time. Hence, pilots of *all* seniorities are getting IAs.
So the fact that the definition says inverse seniority order has been rendered meaningless for a longtime, and we’re now in a Wild Wests, seniorityless premium pay system.
#2144
Again, how about some intellectual honesty here. To those of you complaining about someone junior getting an IA, you need to take a look around you at the pilots causing this. The more senior pilots are the ones that are farming M7, causing the trip coverage ladder to clog, and causing the company to go to IA. The mid tier pilots are the ones being most harmed. But if you’re upset with the junior pilots getting the IA, your anger or frustration is misplaced. Are the M7 farmers acting within their contractural rights? Sure. Are they acting in good faith? I’d say no.
Again, we did not have this problem when we had batch sizes.
No it hasn’t. The definition of IA has not matched the application of IA well over a decade.
The definition of IA used to align with the application: a gate agent or landline phone call telling you that you were working Christmas. Double pay eased the pain.
The definition of IA hasn’t changed but the application has changed to mean a voluntary call back for FCFS. Been this “new” way for a long time. Hence, pilots of *all* seniorities are getting IAs.
So the fact that the definition says inverse seniority order has been rendered meaningless for a longtime, and we’re now in a Wild Wests, seniorityless premium pay system.
The definition of IA used to align with the application: a gate agent or landline phone call telling you that you were working Christmas. Double pay eased the pain.
The definition of IA hasn’t changed but the application has changed to mean a voluntary call back for FCFS. Been this “new” way for a long time. Hence, pilots of *all* seniorities are getting IAs.
So the fact that the definition says inverse seniority order has been rendered meaningless for a longtime, and we’re now in a Wild Wests, seniorityless premium pay system.
#2145
Referencing 23.R.1, if they're truly IAs, how are some pilots getting IA#2, while others haven't even gotten a call for IA#1. ...not on golden days and well below ALV.
#2146
On Reserve
Joined: Dec 2013
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Not an IA? Well, that’s how they are coding it. I want my cheese!
#2147
Easy to tell everyone else to hold the line. I am personally losing at least 21 hours per month in earnings. Those 21 hours used to required half a day’s work. Watching my trips go to pilots almost two decades junior to me is infuriating.
That being said I am not engaging in dealmaking, am not struggling financially, and can afford to live without premium pay. It still doesn’t make it right. Losing $50-100k in earnings isn’t chump change.
That being said I am not engaging in dealmaking, am not struggling financially, and can afford to live without premium pay. It still doesn’t make it right. Losing $50-100k in earnings isn’t chump change.
Just a thought, but a WBA would never be shamed for skipping the walk around. You may even have a second A in the cockpit to assist with Captainly preflight duties.
It's great that you have pointed out the flaws in the system. You have an excellent understanding of the problem and the character to refuse deal making. Use your seniority to change what you can rather than accepting a failed situation you can't control.
#2148
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Joined: Jun 2015
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With "almost two decades" you have the seniority to fix it. Bid where the premium pay is flowing at your seniority. Did your AE reflect an attempt at chasing premium pay? Mid seniority NBA is a choice. You could have been a junior WBA getting the IA call, a senior NBB M7 farmer or a WBB banking PB days.
Just a thought, but a WBA would never be shamed for skipping the walk around. You may even have a second A in the cockpit to assist with Captainly preflight duties.
It's great that you have pointed out the flaws in the system. You have an excellent understanding of the problem and the character to refuse deal making. Use your seniority to change what you can rather than accepting a failed situation you can't control.
Just a thought, but a WBA would never be shamed for skipping the walk around. You may even have a second A in the cockpit to assist with Captainly preflight duties.
It's great that you have pointed out the flaws in the system. You have an excellent understanding of the problem and the character to refuse deal making. Use your seniority to change what you can rather than accepting a failed situation you can't control.
#2149
Can’t find crew pickup
Joined: Jun 2021
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Tell him to change everything for a 2-year seat lock on a problem that only really started 3/4 months ago? As soon as he’s trained and locked, new contract or MOU changes everything. Shouldn’t we be skating to where the puck is going, not where it’s at? Gretzky or something.
#2150
Tell him to change everything for a 2-year seat lock on a problem that only really started 3/4 months ago? As soon as he’s trained and locked, new contract or MOU changes everything. Shouldn’t we be skating to where the puck is going, not where it’s at? Gretzky or something.
Is the new Airbus NBA to WBA short course a two year freeze or just one?
I think the majority of the group is frustrated by the coverage failures, but we're also frustrated by me me me type of complaints. I'm offering three solution to the me me me complaint. Two of them are less risk than hoping coverage improves, one requires the current situation to fester a bit longer for it to pay out.
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