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02-21-2026 | 05:55 PM
#2311
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02-21-2026 | 06:04 PM
#2312
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You're (deliberately and intentionally) leaving out an important part. GS were never proffers pre- ARCOS and neither were next day WS. Also literally zero pilots put in OOB anything without the hope that they would actually be awarded and fly such a trip. Those factors were all the difference in the world.
The company made this bed.
02-21-2026 | 06:14 PM
#2313
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Despite our good operational stats pre-ARCOS, the company brought it in because it is super efficient at assigning available work in a rapid amount of time when used properly. ARCOS is used by utility companies to assign work when blizzards, hurricanes, and other calamities take out power, gas, and water lines.
Could you imagine if those workers had 12 minutes per person to respond to these situations? No. It would be a public nightmare. They blast them all, they get assigned ASAP and things get fixed.
It's only the most self entitled pilots that choose to put in slips, and then complain when those calls come in, that have somehow won the battle to put time restrictions in to the PWA.
It is baffling, aggravating and the company will never, ever put that power back in any labor groups hands. Why? Because it is absolutely ridiculous and anathema to running a business.
Could you imagine if those workers had 12 minutes per person to respond to these situations? No. It would be a public nightmare. They blast them all, they get assigned ASAP and things get fixed.
It's only the most self entitled pilots that choose to put in slips, and then complain when those calls come in, that have somehow won the battle to put time restrictions in to the PWA.
It is baffling, aggravating and the company will never, ever put that power back in any labor groups hands. Why? Because it is absolutely ridiculous and anathema to running a business.
02-21-2026 | 08:25 PM
#2315
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You're (deliberately and intentionally) leaving out an important part. GS were never proffers pre- ARCOS and neither were next day WS. Also literally zero pilots put in OOB anything without the hope that they would actually be awarded and fly such a trip. Those factors were all the difference in the world.
You could even go into Icrew and view the trip to see if you liked it. As long as you didn’t enter your pin, they moved on after 10 min. They were “technically” not proffers in the same way IAs are “technically” now inverse.
Let’s keep GS the way the are. Fix the OOBWS problem and if that’s not enough make WS not proffers like they used to be but leave GS alone, they have a good enough take rate not to bog down trip coverage.
02-22-2026 | 04:57 AM
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I can't believe a pilot is advocating for unlimited batch sizes. My entire point was Delta had a workable solution for years and screwed it all up starting with ARCOS. The app itself is not the point, it's the change in how they covered things AND how much they needed to cover AND how many reserves were available to cover.
02-22-2026 | 05:20 AM
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If we had an obligation to respond to every call from the company and report for every rotation placed on our schedule, then we’d never truly be in rest. It would be a 24/7 RAP as far as the FAA is concerned.
Thus why in the pre-ARCOS days, even though GS and WS were labeled as “not a proffer”, they really were. You could ignore your phone all day long if you chose.
Going forward with ARCOS, every second/next/same-day slip will always be a proffer. Any potential negotiations will likely focus on selling parts of auto-accept.
Last edited by ancman; 02-22-2026 at 05:30 AM.
02-22-2026 | 05:22 AM
#2318
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True about WS and I’m fine going back to that. But not true about GS. They were not proffers in every single way that mattered. I passed on dozens and dozens, you wouldn’t be able to do that if they weren’t proffers. All you had to do was not answer the phone and they moved on.
You could even go into Icrew and view the trip to see if you liked it. As long as you didn’t enter your pin, they moved on after 10 min. They were “technically” not proffers in the same way IAs are “technically” now inverse.
Let’s keep GS the way the are. Fix the OOBWS problem and if that’s not enough make WS not proffers like they used to be but leave GS alone, they have a good enough take rate not to bog down trip coverage.
You could even go into Icrew and view the trip to see if you liked it. As long as you didn’t enter your pin, they moved on after 10 min. They were “technically” not proffers in the same way IAs are “technically” now inverse.
Let’s keep GS the way the are. Fix the OOBWS problem and if that’s not enough make WS not proffers like they used to be but leave GS alone, they have a good enough take rate not to bog down trip coverage.
02-22-2026 | 05:24 AM
#2319
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02-22-2026 | 05:48 AM
#2320
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Why is the focus of so many on getting rid of AA instead of getting rid of the need to both accept and acknowledge a trip? I don't understand why the 2 step process exists in the first place. Everyone puts in AA in order to basically make it a 1 step process, so why not just make it a 1 step process in exchange for a big quid elsewhere in the contract?
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