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12-22-2025 | 02:14 PM
#1811
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Ita showung that pilot that trip coverage has it being awarded it in PBS, then a drop coded LLCN.
Not sure what LLCN code is but wondering if he had line checks or NH Fo evals on the plan and it just became a normal trip. Definitely doesn't appear to be anything nefarious. Just looks like training being shuffled but it was weird in that it looked like a RES assignment not LCA stuff
Not sure what LLCN code is but wondering if he had line checks or NH Fo evals on the plan and it just became a normal trip. Definitely doesn't appear to be anything nefarious. Just looks like training being shuffled but it was weird in that it looked like a RES assignment not LCA stuff
12-22-2025 | 03:53 PM
#1812
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It’s not a “scam”, it’s the contract. It was mutually agreed to by both sides.
Management has made numerous adjustments over the years to utilize contractual language more efficiently and extract greater benefit (for them). Is that a scam also? Was it a scam when they decided to start maximizing short calls every month, even if it meant having 30 pilots on SC in a category with 5 daily departures?
Management has made numerous adjustments over the years to utilize contractual language more efficiently and extract greater benefit (for them). Is that a scam also? Was it a scam when they decided to start maximizing short calls every month, even if it meant having 30 pilots on SC in a category with 5 daily departures?
12-22-2025 | 04:10 PM
#1813
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But to call an unexpected contractual benefit a scam simply because it benefits pilots (rather than management) is disingenuous. I’d much rather see other pilots win one for once than watch management find another new way to exploit our contract against us.
12-22-2025 | 04:13 PM
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There are ways to make that more balanced without going too far in the opposite extreme — perhaps one 23M7 per available footprint.
But to call an unexpected contractual benefit a scam simply because it benefits pilots (rather than management) is disingenuous. I’d much rather see other pilots win one for once than watch management find another new way to exploit our contract against us.
But to call an unexpected contractual benefit a scam simply because it benefits pilots (rather than management) is disingenuous. I’d much rather see other pilots win one for once than watch management find another new way to exploit our contract against us.
12-22-2025 | 04:43 PM
#1815
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Fixing this would not cost the pilots money. The same amount of 23m will be paid, it will just go to the rightful pilots.
12-22-2025 | 04:47 PM
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This has to change. I completely support a wrongfully bypassed pilot being paid. However, that pay should not have more benefits than if they had actually flown the trip. If I actually pick up and fly a white slip, I can’t pick up another over that footprint, nor can I pick up a green slip over that footprint. The current situation is completely unacceptable.
Fixing this would not cost the pilots money. The same amount of 23m will be paid, it will just go to the rightful pilots.
Fixing this would not cost the pilots money. The same amount of 23m will be paid, it will just go to the rightful pilots.
12-22-2025 | 04:47 PM
#1817
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12-22-2025 | 04:48 PM
#1818
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No but the scam accusation is shooting inside the circle. Nobody is scamming. They are making full use of their seniority. The problem is the over use of 23M7 no people collecting for it. Sure we can make it work more equitably but that a less immediate concern than making the company pay them correctly. If they are WSs they will fill up and the benefits move to the next. Use this capital in section 6, not waste it now for no gain.
12-22-2025 | 04:50 PM
#1819
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12-22-2025 | 04:52 PM
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