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12-23-2025 | 04:23 AM
#1841
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And I'm "losing" IA opportunities to pilots WAY senior to me. Let's not lose sight of the fact we both are suffering from the same problem: stuff going out as IA NOT in seniority order.
That being said, I partly disagree with the premise that you're short X amount of hours of what they "should" be. Nobody should rely on premium flying for their baseline. Nothing is stopping you from WS or picking up from the swap board. Premium flying may be prevalent, but none of us are "guaranteed" any of it.
That being said, I partly disagree with the premise that you're short X amount of hours of what they "should" be. Nobody should rely on premium flying for their baseline. Nothing is stopping you from WS or picking up from the swap board. Premium flying may be prevalent, but none of us are "guaranteed" any of it.
12-23-2025 | 04:33 AM
#1842
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From: Blue Juice Taste Tester
3500 is junior in a lot of categories. For the first two weeks of the month, every IA in my category was awarded junior to the median seniority pilot..
Now that it’s later in the month and the junior pilots have had their fill, there have been a handful awarded just barely above the median.
Now that it’s later in the month and the junior pilots have had their fill, there have been a handful awarded just barely above the median.
Also, overheard a convo in the crew room between 2 dudes talking about the #1 guy in a NB A category.
And I quote: "yeah, he was full for the whole month by December 3rd"
Either way, it doesn't matter. You cant defend the M7 farmers saying "it's legal" and then get mad if junior snags all the IAs. If phone calls really did go out in inverse seniority order, all the plugs should be living their best life flying all the premium they want. And it would be legal too.
12-23-2025 | 04:35 AM
#1843
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From: Blue Juice Taste Tester
I agree with the premise that relying on premium flying for a paycheck is problematic and not guaranteed. I disagree with the idea that a senior pilot could simply WS. I’ve had two in-base WS bypassed this month that weren’t offered as GS and went out as IA instead. The WS were in at least a week prior to the trips in question and there are no rest, 117 or PWA violations, so it seems the coverage ladder was simply bypassed. I’ve had a pilot assist case in for it but still awaiting a response.
12-23-2025 | 04:39 AM
#1844
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Either way, it doesn't matter. You cant defend the M7 farmers saying "it's legal" and then get mad if junior snags all the IAs. If phone calls really did go out in inverse seniority order, all the plugs should be living their best life flying all the premium they want. And it would be legal too.
As has been talked about quite a bit, the CS phone system doesn’t take inbound calls in FCFS order. That would be too difficult for Delta IT. That doesn’t mean that phone calls aren’t going out in inverse order.
12-23-2025 | 04:46 AM
#1845
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From: Blue Juice Taste Tester
I’m not mad at all. I was just responding to your rant about most IAs going senior to you, as you sit at the bottom of a senior category.
As has been talked about quite a bit, the CS phone system doesn’t take inbound calls in FCFS order. That would be too difficult for Delta IT. That doesn’t mean that phone calls aren’t going out in inverse order.
As has been talked about quite a bit, the CS phone system doesn’t take inbound calls in FCFS order. That would be too difficult for Delta IT. That doesn’t mean that phone calls aren’t going out in inverse order.
12-23-2025 | 04:52 AM
#1846
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IA should naturally trend more senior later in the month after junior pilots have had their fix of premium, especially in a month like December.
12-23-2025 | 05:03 AM
#1847
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THESE AREN’T IA’s. They are 23.M.7’s coded as IA’s. Junior pilots are never supposed to get premium trips before senior pilots. NEVER. A real IA is forcing a junior pilot to work when nobody wants to do trip. That means everyone in category has turned trip down as a GS and OOBGS. There is zero advantage to being junior. I’m tired of junior pilots thinking they are entitled to premium first because they are junior.
12-23-2025 | 05:04 AM
#1848
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opposite in my category, I rarely see IAs make it to the bottom 20%, most go way more senior.
12-23-2025 | 05:05 AM
#1849
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THESE AREN’T IA’s. They are 23.M.7’s coded as IA’s. Junior pilots are never supposed to get premium trips before senior pilots. NEVER. A real IA is forcing a junior pilot to work when nobody wants to do trip. That means everyone in category has turned trip down as a GS and OOBGS. There is zero advantage to being junior. I’m tired of junior pilots thinking they are entitled to premium first because they are junior.
12-23-2025 | 05:08 AM
#1850
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THESE AREN’T IA’s. They are 23.M.7’s coded as IA’s. Junior pilots are never supposed to get premium trips before senior pilots. NEVER. A real IA is forcing a junior pilot to work when nobody wants to do trip. That means everyone in category has turned trip down as a GS and OOBGS. There is zero advantage to being junior. I’m tired of junior pilots thinking they are entitled to premium first because they are junior.
I’m 100% in agreement with you that there shouldn’t be any advantage to being junior. Currently, there is.
The contract is being executed as written. Language matters, not “we always intended this to be applied this way.”
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