Originally Posted by Herkflyr

And absolutely nuking, with a 50 kiloton hydrogen bomb, certainly the spirit, and probably the letter, of what organized labor is all about. I can't believe you are saying, "hey go play the IA game--it is great!"

By the way, contrary to someone's misread of an earlier post of mine, this whole mess hardly affects me. A330A, getting on in years, I just flew my first GS of the year (I average one a year) and am pretty well paid for flying a normal schedule. I've flown one IA ever, and that was about five years ago.

MY flying life is good, but I am both in a category and career stage where all this stuff doesn't relate much. However I am a big proponent of the letter and spirit of organized labor and our PWA. I don't like seeing guys who are volunteering to help the company out, anticipating premium pay as the quid pro quo, and not getting it--like they used to--for all sorts of not-great reasons.

Obviously we have some leverage (the amount is debatable) and I am not saying we should just give things away for free. However, there are those who reasonably believe that the entire Auto Accept leading to mass IAs is itself an anti-spirit-of-the-PWA concession of sorts.

I'd like to see all this resolved so that pilots aren't bitter between themselves.

Originally Posted by TALPAtalker

When the contract first came out, we had a lot of discussions here about it because it is a pretty nice incentive. Unfortunately the company has not offered it except for right now.

Originally Posted by notEnuf

I'm saying deal with it, as we all must. This is not of our making and I'm not willing to squander the cost leverage for no gain and a drawn out negotiation. This situation being in place for section 6 will shorten the timeline. If your dog isn't in the fight then your not affected as you said. The negotiation will happen in section 6 and the solution will be forthcoming.

Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad

The cheese is big FOR SOME PEOPLE. And it’s almost impossible to “go find it” unless you are extremely senior or lucky enough to get through. You are extremely disingenuous with your arguments stomping your feet thinking this is a company only problem.

Leverage is only real leverage when it is mostly one sided. I really thing you are overestimating what you think we have.

But I do talk to my reps, a lot, about my concerns. We know you don’t. So there is that.

Originally Posted by gloopy

Just to be clear it’s an asinine scam. I’ve changed nothing. Just because it’s contractually legal doesn’t mean it’s not a scam. It steals from whoever would have rightfully gotten it next.

Originally Posted by crewdawg

They were giving guys more than 6 SC/month last year. There was an NYC765A who was getting 9 or 10 a month. Somewhere along the way they stopped awarding them. If you're on the FB pages you could probably search it but I'm fairly certain it paid 3 extra hours if unused.

Originally Posted by TALPAtalker

I'm not actually sure they're telling the full story there. I'm pretty sure it's actually 4 hours if you're not used, and 3 if you are used.

When the contract first came out, we had a lot of discussions here about it because it is a pretty nice incentive. Unfortunately the company has not offered it except for right now. Here's the recap:

Section 23.S.2.c.2 defines 6 short calls as the maximum subject to some other stipulations. Exception 1 says,
"A reserve pilot may be converted to short call in a bid period more times than shown in Section 23 S. 2. c. 2) pursuant to a yellow slip(s) that is awarded after the pilot has already completed the number shown in Section 23 S. 2. c. 2)."

Now, the reserve guarantee gets bumped up 1 hour if you do that. That is pay and credit. See Section 4 C.1, Exception 4 :

"The reserve line guarantee of a pilot who is converted to additional short call periods under Section 23 S. 2. c. 2) Exception one will be increased by one hour for each additional short call period."

Next, there is a total of 2 hours of pay, no credit associated with yellow slipping each short call over 6. See Section 23 S.3.b.

"A reserve pilot who has been awarded and converted to a short call period(s) in excess of Section 23 S. 2. c. will receive 2:00 pay, no credit per excess short call period, in addition to any other form of pay for the bid period."

Finally, there is additional pay, no credit for being assigned any short call period and not performing any flying. See Sec. 4.H.3

"A reserve pilot will receive one hour of pay, no credit for each short call period completed during which the pilot does not perform any flying."

Originally Posted by All 5 Stages

"My call to crew scheduling pays me more than your Whatever Slip pays me."

"My 6 x OOBWS 23M7 pays me more than your GS pays me."

Leverage, baby, leverage ...

A5S

Originally Posted by notEnuf

Your use of scam is purely inflammatory for effect. It is not a scam. A scam is a perfectly healthy pilot holding a class 1 medical while collecting a huge VA disability payment. Apologies to our resident cyborg. I don't really believe this but it demonstrates the insanity of the scam perspective. You keep doing you, we all know this is your outrage speaking and trying to get more attention.