MOU 25-05
02-21-2026 | 01:40 PM
#2291
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02-21-2026 | 01:42 PM
#2292
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So how would it work? DALPA calls the company and says "hey, I know we start Section 6 in a few weeks, and you have your own burning needs, but could you help us out first? We need you to allocate IT resources to reprogram and test icrew to level 23M7 payouts. No, we're not going to address anything else. thanks." They'd shake their heads, laugh, and hang up.
And even if the MEC decided to try that while getting ready for section 6, and even if the company (being the rational, big-hearted employer they are) decided to do us a solid and say yes.... as soon as it got programmed in...around December (2027), Marcal or someone else will be here bitching that it's not fair, he's on track to lose 150% of last year's earnings.... and 23M7 needs to be leveled by the day and not the occurrence. I can think of several other potential snags in how that leveling would be applied. You've been here a while, I'm sure you can see some problems applying M7 leveling, too.
So yes. By default, it's a wind the clock issue.
And even if the MEC decided to try that while getting ready for section 6, and even if the company (being the rational, big-hearted employer they are) decided to do us a solid and say yes.... as soon as it got programmed in...around December (2027), Marcal or someone else will be here bitching that it's not fair, he's on track to lose 150% of last year's earnings.... and 23M7 needs to be leveled by the day and not the occurrence. I can think of several other potential snags in how that leveling would be applied. You've been here a while, I'm sure you can see some problems applying M7 leveling, too.
So yes. By default, it's a wind the clock issue.
02-21-2026 | 01:55 PM
#2294
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I mean I think 99% of the pilot group would be on board with spreading the 23m7 payments if the company would agree to do it for free. There’s just zero chance they agree to that.
02-21-2026 | 02:04 PM
#2295
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He’s dead on. The company doesn’t have time to take 12 minutes per person per step to cover trips. AA would be okay in theory if only pilots who wanted to fly put slips in, but that’s not what’s happening. Pilots are putting in blanket slips for entire month. I do the same thing. By the time I see it in open time, it’s too late. I don’t put on AA or auto acknowledge. If I get a call, I look at trip and accept it if I want it, then just wait. It is frustrating if it takes hours to award it to me. Sometimes it would be too late to commute up. AA will most likely be gone next contract. I don’t know the ratio of pilots that want it gone vs keeping it, but I know there are thousands on both sides.
02-21-2026 | 02:21 PM
#2296
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He’s dead on. The company doesn’t have time to take 12 minutes per person per step to cover trips. AA would be okay in theory if only pilots who wanted to fly put slips in, but that’s not what’s happening. Pilots are putting in blanket slips for entire month. I do the same thing. By the time I see it in open time, it’s too late. I don’t put on AA or auto acknowledge. If I get a call, I look at trip and accept it if I want it, then just wait. It is frustrating if it takes hours to award it to me. Sometimes it would be too late to commute up. AA will most likely be gone next contract. I don’t know the ratio of pilots that want it gone vs keeping it, but I know there are thousands on both sides.
GS and IA used to be covered manually one at a time and we had the best reliability.
With proper staffing for both pilots and schedulers, more resilient trip construction, better usage of reserves, etc., the company solves their problem.
02-21-2026 | 02:37 PM
#2298
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I'm all for extracting a big gain from the company in section 6 for this, but if the "status quo" continues, we'll probably have to start calling scheduling and asking them to at least run the WS step for particular trips, if we want to pickup close in trips. While some view the status quo as fine, it had degraded my QOL a quite a bit. They are getting a little better lately, but not even starting the WS step is crazy.
This shifts the seniority problem back to where it should be, seniority order for the premium trip and senior slip holder that should have had the trip. The pick up limit is still the limiting factor so if a person has the entire month available by dropping trips or using the swap board they might get 90ish hours and then the next and so on. There is a pseudo leveling system but most people thinks not adequate but the 23M7ers will be under scrutiny and if they are given that credit there will be a remedy. You can see their pickup limit when viewing their schedule.
02-21-2026 | 02:47 PM
#2299
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Close-in WS are generally all I fly and I highly doubt I'll be getting 8-10 QS/month.
Once they start a step they have to finish it. If that looks like it will take too long, then 23M7 will go senior everytime because they cant count on the 100th person who actually wants that OBWS to actually have a chance to acknowledge it. They can't take the chance it doesn't finish, they can't skip a pilot(s) within a step and they can't run concurrent coverage on multiple steps. This shifts the seniority problem back to where it should be, seniority order for the premium trip and senior slip holder that should have had the trip.
Hence why I say people who actually want to fly a WS, will have to call scheduling and tell them that they'll take the trip if they run it. Quite a few trips have gone IA with 5-10 hours to report, that I'd have gladly flown W if they had actually run the step. In my small category, even with the recent IA mess, there has rarely been more than 5-10 guys with a WS in for such trips. For us, it's OOBWSers that gum it all up.
02-21-2026 | 02:57 PM
#2300
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Once they start a step they have to finish it. If that looks like it will take too long, then 23M7 will go senior everytime because they cant count on the 100th person who actually wants that OBWS to actually have a chance to acknowledge it. They can't take the chance it doesn't finish, they can't skip a pilot(s) within a step and they can't run concurrent coverage on multiple steps.
They absolutely can stop coverage before a step is fully completed. 25-05 simply requires scheduling to skip to a later step (such as QS) after stopping coverage mid-step and using 23.M.7. They can’t skip pilots within a step, meaning they can’t stop coverage at WS pilot #5 and award the trip to WS pilot #100.
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