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notEnuf 11-24-2025 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by game (Post 3972883)
And you’re right back on top, waiting to farm the next 23M7!! There isn’t any downside to this, it’s unlimited pay for doing nothing but clicking on icrew for 6 minutes each day.

That's true and with the new QS, only be first up on the next step of coverage will get paid so the senior in seat system wide will probably never have to work again. OBWS system wide and collect since scheduling can't just stop where they want and have to run a full coverage step before they skip to QS. I see the top 737 seat and the top 320 seat as a position for pay only. Probably the top 2, maybe 3, because they could drop everything on their schedule and among them have all days of the month available to collect.

All 5 Stages 11-24-2025 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3972892)
That's true and with the new QS, only be first up on the next step of coverage will get paid so the senior in seat system wide will probably never have to work again. OBWS system wide and collect since scheduling can't just stop where they want and have to run a full coverage step before they skip to QS. I see the top 737 seat and the top 320 seat as a position for pay only. Probably the top 2, maybe 3, because they could drop everything on their schedule and among them have all days of the month available to collect.

I don't really see how this is good for the pilots in the affected category, excepting the top 2 or 3. It seems that 23M7 farming with OOBWS just exacerbates the situation.

A5S

BashiChuni 11-24-2025 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by All 5 Stages (Post 3972919)
I don't really see how this is good for the pilots in the affected category, excepting the top 2 or 3. It seems that 23M7 farming with OOBWS just exacerbates the situation.

A5S

have you tried being more senior?

FyrePilot 11-24-2025 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by All 5 Stages (Post 3972919)
I don't really see how this is good for the pilots in the affected category, excepting the top 2 or 3. It seems that 23M7 farming with OOBWS just exacerbates the situation.

A5S

Personally I don’t think it will be implemented at all. They expect programmers to do it in Q2 of next year. That is the same time as openers for negotiations. They would be better off putting in a whole new scheduling system and just put that in the new contract so it won’t cost them 4x to pay for an open trip with this archaic system that is now costing too much money to continue putting up with. They just did something to make it look like the union and ALPA are doing something but it really doesn’t solve anything.

HockeyGuy 11-24-2025 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by FyrePilot (Post 3972924)
Personally I don’t think it will be implemented at all. They expect programmers to do it in Q2 of next year. That is the same time as openers for negotiations. They would be better off putting in a whole new scheduling system and just put that in the new contract so it won’t cost them 4x to pay for an open trip with this archaic system that is now costing too much money to continue putting up with. They just did something to make it look like the union and ALPA are doing something but it really doesn’t solve anything.

If the QS never gets put off indefinitely that also means no sick lookback indefinitely. I would be ok with that trade off.

tennisguru 11-24-2025 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by FyrePilot (Post 3972924)
Personally I don’t think it will be implemented at all. They expect programmers to do it in Q2 of next year. That is the same time as openers for negotiations. They would be better off putting in a whole new scheduling system and just put that in the new contract so it won’t cost them 4x to pay for an open trip with this archaic system that is now costing too much money to continue putting up with. They just did something to make it look like the union and ALPA are doing something but it really doesn’t solve anything.

Even disregarding their desire for the resumption of sick lookback, I do think the company wants a better way to cover last minute trips. How many flights did we cancel during our numerous summer IROPS that pilots wanted to fly but could never get through to scheduling to talk on the phone to get the assignment? I don't know anything in particular, but I also have to wonder if the union has some recordings of schedulers making shady deals and could also use that as a hammer if things kept going as they are with IAs. So I do think QS programming will get done fairly quickly. SS had a 1 year implementation deadline after the last contract was signed, and that was done on time, and in my mind was more complex programming. I'm no expert but it seems like QS programming is taking most of the already exisisting GS programming and making a couple of tweaks, so half the time (6 months instead of 12) should be very doable. And like I said I think the company has several good reasons to get QS implemented as soon as they can.

ancman 11-24-2025 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by HockeyGuy (Post 3972957)
If the QS never gets put off indefinitely that also means no sick lookback indefinitely. I would be ok with that trade off.

Which means that the company will substitute GFB for the lookback indefinitely.

I highly doubt that management will let the total number of verifications per year drop significantly, if at all, while lookback is suspended. ALPA has never shown any interest in challenging the “good faith” aspect of GFB.

Whoopsmybad 11-24-2025 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 3972995)
Which means that the company will substitute GFB for the lookback indefinitely.

I highly doubt that management will let the total number of verifications per year drop significantly, if at all, while lookback is suspended. ALPA has never shown any interest in challenging the “good faith” aspect of GFB.

I’ve had to call in sick a couple times since the MOU hit. No GFB. Seriously doubt it’s the boogie man everyone still makes it out to be. I could be wrong, may just be me.

tennisguru 11-24-2025 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad (Post 3973006)
I’ve had to call in sick a couple times since the MOU hit. No GFB. Seriously doubt it’s the boogie man everyone still makes it out to be. I could be wrong, may just be me.

Same. Got sick before a SC period (with no rotation on it yet) and no GFB. I wonder if the GFB campaign is specific to a certain base or bases.

Valar Morghulis 11-24-2025 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 3972995)
Which means that the company will substitute GFB for the lookback indefinitely.

I highly doubt that management will let the total number of verifications per year drop significantly, if at all, while lookback is suspended. ALPA has never shown any interest in challenging the “good faith” aspect of GFB.

You’d would be wrong. ALPA won a huge grievance back in late 90s, maybe early 2000s. Company didn’t get the language they wanted in C96 or C2k and went ahead and tried to do a “reliability program” anyway. They got spanked hard by the Arbitrator and that’s why the “can’t use frequency as a basis” language is in the PWA.

Theres not much you can do to trip coverage without blowing up the good deals people have, both Reg and Res. If you look at UALs process, it would skunk most of the posters here, which I grant you is not a cross section of the pilot group.

According to a bud, UAL runs a PCS type system 6 times a day, and a FCFS system for close in coverage (must be posted for 2 hours and less than 20 hours to report, I think). Their open time gets worked day prior around noon (window is wider for some reserves).

It doesn’t seem like their reserves can play the same program as ours do, but their reserve system seems overall more robust for “regular sitting reserve” (for the company, not for any good deals). Premium time seems completely in the company’s control, not as automatic parts of trip coverage.

Be super sure that’s what you want to see happen before pressing to test on new trip coverage.


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