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crewdawg 11-25-2025 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by Wolf424 (Post 3973246)
I want to agree with you. However this is squarely on the company. I’ve wanted to pick up numerous WS I’ve had full intention on flying. The step is skipped…can’t get through to pick up the same trip as an IA after waiting on hold on hour.

Their decision in the last 6-9 months to use 23m7 well outside of the intent of the provision is why we are here.

If they had invested in tech to expedite the steps of coverage, or have an adequate number of schedulers, this could’ve been avoided. We gave away batch sizes, yes. But just because they didn’t have to call 5 pilots at a time anymore didn’t mean they had to up it to 300+. This caused the auto accept rates to go up. They thought they found a loophole in 23m7. Well every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

I don’t blame a single person playing the game the company created. Wish I was more senior in seat to take advantage of it.


Yup. Someone on FB even posted the scheduling department numbers now vs. then. They have cut the scheduling department in half, while the pilot group grew by nearly 2.5x. Stop blaming your fellow pilots.

Hotel Kilo 11-25-2025 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by Extenda (Post 3973247)
What is the statistical likelihood someone legitimately got IA3? That means they were the first to get through among 10-20-100 willing pilots three times in a row! That person must just be cruising OT and pre-emptively making a call to CS ya?

IA #1 - no issue

IA #2 - probably not in the norm, but certainly a possibility

IA #3 and beyond - deal making going on.

gloopy 11-25-2025 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 3973256)
IA #1 - no issue

IA #2 - probably not in the norm, but certainly a possibility

IA #3 and beyond - deal making going on.

Can DALPA pull the tapes?

Perhaps the penalty for that should be every legal pilot in category should get paid…

Hotel Kilo 11-25-2025 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 3973259)
Can DALPA pull the tapes?

Perhaps the penalty for that should be every legal pilot in category should get paid…

Well I don't know. The email we got in Feb of 2025 from DALPA on this deal making I don't recall them telling us this. It has been posted that the CS are using their own phones to do this so they are not on recorded lines.

All 5 Stages 11-25-2025 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by PositiveRate20 (Post 3973242)
The GS step of coverage is dying on the vine day by day. I won't be surprised to see it totally gone when QS is implemented. And once again, people will be getting nuisance calls at 3 am for trips they have no shot of getting. We are so broken.

We are still dealing with the ramifications of the 9-8 vote on the 2023 M7 grievance settlement aka the Batch Size Giveaway. All our MEC had to do was open up the aperture a bit on batch sizes, which were admittedly too small: go from 5 to 8 or 5 to 10 or whatever the sweet spot is. Maybe get some QHCP relief in return or increase RCOS pay or whatever. But it was orderly, and seniority based, and you only got a call if you had a reasonable chance at a greenie, and when applicable, penalties for batch size violations.

That grievance settlement, and this MOU, just green light the company to wait until 8 hours or sooner and BAM! free-for-all. This is what "we" agreed to. The fabled Quick Slip, whenever THAT comes out, is the new ARCOS blast of 2019 pre-batch size limits.

A5S

gloopy 11-25-2025 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 3973262)
Well I don't know. The email we got in Feb of 2025 from DALPA on this deal making I don't recall them telling us this. It has been posted that the CS are using their own phones to do this so they are not on recorded lines.

If there are no tapes in those (alleged) cases, then proper coverage was still obviously skipped. That’s even tighter of a case.

PositiveRate20 11-25-2025 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 3973256)
IA #1 - no issue

IA #2 - probably not in the norm, but certainly a possibility

IA #3 and beyond - deal making going on.

I just checked. In my category, there are FOURTEEN individuals that have multiple IA's.....one of these individuals has 3 this month...and a GS

StoneQOLdCrazy 11-25-2025 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by PositiveRate20 (Post 3973272)
I just checked. In my category, there are FOURTEEN individuals that have multiple IA's.....one of these individuals has 3 this month...and a GS

need to pull the tapes, and if there are multiple instances of dealmaking from this person, it's time to kick him/her out of the union.

demon llama 11-25-2025 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by PositiveRate20 (Post 3973272)
I just checked. In my category, there are FOURTEEN individuals that have multiple IA's.....one of these individuals has 3 this month...and a GS

I've had 1x GS and 2x IA this month. GS was a 1-day turn. IA#1 was a 5-day that sucked, overlapped a couple LC days, but gave 3.5 PB days. I waited 45 minutes on hold to get that one. IA#2 was a DH to position, redeye, then DH home. Waited only 3 minutes on hold for that one. The call came pretty late in the evening. No deals. Just the winning caller twice. I've been off all week and zero calls for GS or IA in my BES.

gloopy 11-25-2025 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 3973285)
need to pull the tapes, and if there are multiple instances of dealmaking from this person, it's time to kick him/her out of the union.

Plus a provision that says a pilot willfully violating the CBA to “make a deal” shall have their pay for the effected events reduced to minimum wage, related PB days removed (including debt in their bank if ready used) and triple that original rate value of the pairings in questions be paid to DALPA in a fund to be distributed equally to all at the end of the year.


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