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FangsF15 11-24-2025 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3973064)
I have never been GFB’d, and I’ve had a few “suspicious” calls that people say are 100% yet not for me. That includes calling in sick for a SC that had a rotation already assigned, and a sick - well next day call (stomach bugs tend to be that way). Nowadays as reserve unless you call in 2 days before starting a LC block then you’re almost always going to be calling in for a SC or a rotation. Which in my mind is really funny because when a REG pilot calls in 100% of the time (except for training I guess) it’s for a rotation.

Alanis Morissette could have used that in her song... "when you call in sick... For a rotation already assigned..."

Planetrain 11-24-2025 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3973071)
Alanis Morissette could have used that in her song... "when you call in sick... For a rotation already assigned..."

https://media0.giphy.com/media/L3WTl...d=200.gif&ct=g
🎶 Its like 10,000 PCS slips in and a week off, and they go straight to IA with an hour hold time🎶 blah blah blah spoons blah blah wedding day

FangsF15 11-24-2025 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by Planetrain (Post 3973111)
https://media0.giphy.com/media/L3WTl...d=200.gif&ct=g
🎶 Its like 10,000 PCS slips in and a week off, and they go straight to IA with an hour hold time🎶 blah blah blah spoons blah blah wedding day

LOL. Well played, sir.

PositiveRate20 11-25-2025 03:43 AM

Green slips are pretty much dead. IA’s went out this am for trips that were in open time at 8 pm last night….no GS calls ever went out. How this isn’t a contract violation is beyond me. In addition, this new IA system is rewarding pilots that aren’t working as much as their peers. If you’re a productive pilot that’s above ALV, you don’t get the call for an IA.

CX500T 11-25-2025 03:49 AM


Originally Posted by PositiveRate20 (Post 3973164)
Green slips are pretty much dead. IA’s went out this am for trips that were in open time at 8 pm last night….no GS calls ever went out. How this isn’t a contract violation is beyond me. In addition, this new IA system is rewarding pilots that aren’t working as much as their peers. If you’re a productive pilot that’s above ALV, you don’t get the call for an IA.

Check 23M7 logs to make sure they are paying out.

StoneQOLdCrazy 11-25-2025 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by CX500T (Post 3973165)
Check 23M7 logs to make sure they are paying out.

they are paying out…to people who had zero intention of flying them as a GS.

game 11-25-2025 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by PositiveRate20 (Post 3973164)
Green slips are pretty much dead. IA’s went out this am for trips that were in open time at 8 pm last night….no GS calls ever went out. How this isn’t a contract violation is beyond me. In addition, this new IA system is rewarding pilots that aren’t working as much as their peers. If you’re a productive pilot that’s above ALV, you don’t get the call for an IA.

Sounds like you’re working too hard as a “productive pilot” to please Ed.


Consider this: A smart pilot can be overseas and joying an extended stretch of days off with the family and still keep slips in to run the PCS clock out with auto-accepts helping force a trip to 23M7 coverage and scoop up some 23M7 pay.




PositiveRate20 11-25-2025 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by game (Post 3973184)
Sounds like you’re working too hard as a “productive pilot” to please Ed.

Or I like making money. Wild idea. Right?

SideStickMonkey 11-25-2025 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by game (Post 3973184)
Sounds like you’re working too hard as a “productive pilot” to please Ed.


Consider this: A smart pilot can be overseas and joying an extended stretch of days off with the family and still keep slips in to run the PCS clock out with auto-accepts helping force a trip to 23M7 coverage and scoop up some 23M7 pay.

Just be more senior

Herkflyr 11-25-2025 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by game (Post 3973184)
Sounds like you’re working too hard as a “productive pilot” to please Ed.


Consider this: A smart pilot can be overseas and joying an extended stretch of days off with the family and still keep slips in to run the PCS clock out with auto-accepts helping force a trip to 23M7 coverage and scoop up some 23M7 pay.

Your negotiators likely wish you hadn't posted that. I can't believe that you are actually celebrating the fact that many self-absorbed sorts are actively--and proudly admitting to--taking steps to Gumm up the system, with zero intention or ability (being in Europe and all) to fly the slips they "claim" they want. This essentially forces the company to take steps that nuke provisions of our hard-won PWA.

"But it's my PWA right!" you bleat. Yes it is--and apparently the company gets to claim the same with their 23.M.7 steps that give 23.M.7 free money to super-senior sorts, while egging on a Hunger Games inspired IA free for all that rewards the junior and--much worse--the side dealers who are just as proud as how THEY get to nuke the PWA trip coverage process with their "hey I'm in the lounge now, whattaya got for me to fly as an IA?"

I still put 2/3 of this entire mess on the company, Their antiquated IT, lack of robust automation and understaffed and overwhelmed (and not very knowledgeable) schedulers make what is a complex situation in a best case scenario a fiasco. They could save a lot of hassle with steps that they could take. I have little to zero sympathy for the company side.

However, I actually like our PWA, and all the provisions of it--notably the correct trip coverage process. Taking steps that torpedo the detailed trip coverage process, so some super senior sorts can get numerous 23.M.7 payments, while simultaneously enabling the side-dealers, is not cool at all. "But hey, the council chair says he will have some 'uncomfortable' conversations with side dealers." So there's that. I am sure that will solve everything!

The recent Quick Slip MOU will eventually solve a lot of this, I hope. I'm guessing that if it does, a lot of the Auto Accepters will be the first to complain.

Rant over.


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