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Old 03-31-2026 | 11:43 AM
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I fail to see how any of this matters for Airplane Internet? With any Internet connection the company could have instant access to the AWS backbone. Maybe for like pushing large amounts of data/content to users but even movies these days don’t require that big of a pipeline. So what is the advantage? I can’t think of a single reason the company using AWS and the airplane net connection having a closer connection to AWS does anything of any value for the company or a passenger. A personalized user experience requires a minuscule amount of data that can be handled by any net provider. There is no advantage at all here by using the owner of your backend being the same as the provider of your net connection. No business ever has had an advantage by bundling the two.
there's the other alleged angle in that Ed didn't like how much data Starlink got access to. Makes you wonder if United has a strong contract to prevent this or just said "to hell with it" and was willing to look the other way to gain a perceived win in this space (no pun intended).
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Old 03-31-2026 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Uninteresting
amzn has been putting up satellites for a while now.
Now you're grasping at straws. Amazon is 10 years behind, and borrowed SpaceX rockets to launch a few of their test satellites. Check the facts? Amazon has basically nothing and their New Glen rocket is still in testing (literally April 10 is their third launch).



Where are you getting your data? Do you also still believe we're seeing a supersonic airliner in 2025? Talk is cheap.



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Old 03-31-2026 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
I'm interested in Trip's response to this too. He's been all about the ViaSat
Looks like Delta is going the multi vendor route. A big clue was when it was announced some of the 350s will be getting Hughes net. I think it's a smart approach by the company. Viasat-3 should be excellent but that is highly dependent on 2 perfectly executed Antenna deployments on Viasats next 2 Satellites. Don't fault the company for not putting all its eggs in on basket.
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Old 03-31-2026 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Looks like Delta is going the multi vendor route. A big clue was when it was announced some of the 350s will be getting Hughes net. I think it's a smart approach by the company. Viasat-3 should be excellent but that is highly dependent on 2 perfectly executed Antenna deployments on Viasats next 2 Satellites. Don't fault the company for not putting all its eggs in on basket.
Internet isn’t mission critical like parts on a jet. Little risk in going with one vendor. Regardless of the vendor, they will all work and even if they didn’t it isn’t the end of the world if one goes down (each plane is only able to work with one provider anyway so it doesn’t allow you to just switch all your planes at once to a different provider). If you don’t want all your eggs in one basket then go with 1 satellite provider and one ground based provider or some other tech. For leverage purposes maybe it is a good idea? Or for testing? What risk does United have in going all Starlink?
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Old 03-31-2026 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
Internet isn’t mission critical like parts on a jet. Little risk in going with one vendor. Regardless of the vendor, they will all work and even if they didn’t it isn’t the end of the world if one goes down (each plane is only able to work with one provider anyway so it doesn’t allow you to just switch all your planes at once to a different provider). If you don’t want all your eggs in one basket then go with 1 satellite provider and one ground based provider or some other tech. For leverage purposes maybe it is a good idea? Or for testing? What risk does United have in going all Starlink?
The risk is bandwidth constraints once the network is saturated. Starlink's per-aircraft experience looks great today partly because aviation adoption is still early. As United fills its fleet and Alaska and Hawaiian come online simultaneously, those aircraft are all competing for capacity from the same constellation over the same geography during peak travel hours.
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Old 03-31-2026 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Really don't give 2 hoots what provider we use. I just want it to work reliably.
true. i just want to be able to trade without any hiccups.
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Old 03-31-2026 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
The risk is bandwidth constraints once the network is saturated. Starlink's per-aircraft experience looks great today partly because aviation adoption is still early. As United fills its fleet and Alaska and Hawaiian come online simultaneously, those aircraft are all competing for capacity from the same constellation over the same geography during peak travel hours.
There's also the risk that Elmo wakes up from a bender one afternoon and decides that Starlink is no longer in the Internet business.
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Old 03-31-2026 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by immolated
Now you're grasping at straws. Amazon is 10 years behind, and borrowed SpaceX rockets to launch a few of their test satellites. Check the facts? Amazon has basically nothing and their New Glen rocket is still in testing (literally April 10 is their third launch).



Where are you getting your data? Do you also still believe we're seeing a supersonic airliner in 2025? Talk is cheap.


I looked a little deeper into this and Amazon is on schedule to launch 100 sats per month starting in April. Service for North America and Mexico should be ready by Q3/Q4 2026, and Europe towards the end of the year. I don't see any reason Leo won't be ready to roll by 2028.
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Old 03-31-2026 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
So they're giving up on ViaSat? Why can't we just have starlink? Works great on United and every foreign carrier I've flown on.
Doesn't it essentially come down to EB doesn't like Elon?
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Old 03-31-2026 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
So they're giving up on ViaSat? Why can't we just have starlink? Works great on United and every foreign carrier I've flown on.
The guy that flew the BLM and Pride flags above the corporate HQ isn’t about to do business with Musk.
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