So at UA SLI are making top 320/738 CA pay? What if they cant hold that?

 

A United FO SLI gets paid the highest they can hold, up to NB CA pay. I thought AA had the same thing but now I’m not sure.

Delta FO SLI gets paid highest FO rate they can hold.

The other airlines have premium pay sim events that do not exist for Delta SLIs (all extra sims pay straight pay).

 

Yeah that's important. I guess picking up regular OT/SS and IA should also be permitted. Not sure that is possible under the current contract.

 

“Instructor Pay: 12th yr A320 CA pay (blended rate) + monthly override

if an FO

Evaluator Pay: Best held seat + monthly override

LCP Override: $1,616 (DOS) - $1,910 (2027)

APD: $1,776 (DOS) - $2,100 (2027)

Instructor: $976 (DOS) - $1,153 (2027)

Sim Validation Quals: $1,456 (DOS) - $1,721 (2027)”

source https://d2r1lrrqctgamh.cloudfront.ne...2023-09-01.pdf somewhere around slide 68.

 

I never saw a contract lanyard in the sim during CQ. It's probably because they are closer to the powers that can single them out for retribution. They have a good deal and don't want to jeopardize it. That makes them "other" to to group as a whole.

 

So if a hypothetical SLI is completely ideologically aligned with most of the line flyers, that SLI is still less-than (how I interpret “other” for only this context) as a member of the collective because they appear neutral while performing instructor duties?

This sense of “otherness” towards fellow pilots, that fly the line a lot themselves, is abhorrent. Feels very shoot-inside-the-circle esque.

 

I do agree with more granular leveling (right now a 1-day GS puts you on the same level as a 5-day GS, which makes no sense), although GS/SS/QS should still be separate categories since the method in which they're awarded is different, both QOL and bidding strategy-wise. Someone who's only putting slips in for longer commutable 3-4 day GS should not be in the same pool as someone who's hustling massive batch size 3am QS calls. And neither of them should be in the same leveling pool as someone trying to drop their schedule to fill up on SS weeks ahead of time. SS hours count towards GS trigger which is a HUGE win for pilot compensation that is often overlooked (premium-only months used to be unheard of but now are common. you used to have to credit surf WS to get to your GS trigger but now almost no one has to worry about that if they stick to QS or do GS+SS). And less trigger filling through WS leads to more open time which leads to more premium. Leveling all premium together would largely negate this benefit.


Also, leveling by hours (instead of trip #) was on the latest contract survey, which shows it has some semblance of merit and passed muster, but for some reason anytime it's brought up here it's immediately shot down by people who aren't thinking about how it would actually play out in the big picture (and present no argument). There's no scenario where it hurts pilots. It would actually be a nice QOL win because you're not screwing yourself over by filtering out 1 day trips in hopes of getting a 2 or 3+ day trip which just turns it into a game of dumb luck. You would just get the first trip that fits your schedule without hesitation and the number of days would be irrelevant, and it wouldn't burn senior nor junior to take a 1 day G#1 in the first week of the month. In an hours leveled system, getting three separate 1-day GS should be functionally equivalent to one 3-day GS, but for some reason people think this screws up seniority (it doesn't, it actually makes it more efficient and adds value for everyone). Someone against it needs to post an example where it hurts us. Not seeing it.

 

It's called unity and they should wear contract lanyards.

Just like I believe all union pilots should wear ALPA lanyards (not company lanyards) year round and also wear their ALPA pins.

The best LCAs wore their contract lanyards sans hat last round as well (most wore their hats though unfortunately).

Showing unity is important in a union.

 

Just as hat wearers were seen as "other" and unsupportive, SLIs not wearing contract lanyards or somehow indicating they are part of the group has an effect. We all make personal choices. During negotiations unity is key and unity is only observed outwardly. Saying I believe in a cause is only words not action.

 

I find it abhorrent that anyone represented by a union would ever choose to appear neutral during active contract negotiations. That’s the true “shoot-inside-the-circle” you speak of, and would lead to being met with severe social consequences at other airlines.

I’m not sure why it’s tolerated here.