how are they assigning the wrong 23M7 pilot?
(question from a pilot never awarded 23M7)

 

They are supposed to pull the harmed pilot from the trip coverage report. Sometimes they just pull up the most senior pilot who had a slip in, even if they didn’t have the WS pickup limit available for the trip in question.

 

It is very difficult to determine this but sometimes you'll see where in the callout they stop (somewhere in the middle) and the person paid is extremely senior or extremely junior. But there are times it lands on someone and they straight up pay someone else (despite knowing who on the list it is). It usually involves callouts with multiple trips, them doing weird things like running quick slip then IA then quick slip, etc. Seems like if it's not very obvious they'll do a shwag which is often the wrong person. I'm sure they care very little which pilot gets the free money.

Beyond that, if it's not 23M7 to a quick slip, there is a good chance they won't assign any 23M7 pilot. They often don't identify a 23M7 pilot when they jump to short call, and almost never identify one for reroutes.

I've seen a lot of shenanigans and when you crew assist it, they usually immediately respond that crew assists aren't needed since 23M7s are "automated." After you appeal, it'll get stuck in the month's long queue. If it was for a white slip, often the pilot has no more white slip pickup and they won't pay them anything.

 

Like others said, hard to determine…. But, I just had one pay in my favor. I actually got called for a GS I wanted. Slip set to auto accept, ARCOS call comes, I acknowledge…. Trip goes off to never never land. I finally find it given out on either a QS or IA and a SLC pilot got the 23m7. Had to cry BS twice but finally at least got single pay no credit.

 

I'm going to guess 50% are company "men" and 40% just dont want waves. Then there are the 10% like you. I always thanked my instructors at CQ for wearing the lanyard

Anyways im guessing were going long now. Can't wait to see the flight ops "motivation" com's this summer. If you thought 19 was hot just wait for the wet hot American summer of 26! All we need is a good scraper and it will take the Gum off the table.

 

It's not a misunderstanding.

My point is SS are a REG thing. PB days are a RES thing. Both are examples of premium trips with specific advantages.

Like I said before, you want access to SS, bid a line. Want PB days, bid reserve.

 

Yes. Make SS available to reserves. However, if a reserve flys a SS, it pays single pay above reserve guarantee if flown over reserve days, or double above reserve guarantee if flown on X days. In either case, no PB days. Voila’.

 

I'm ok with SS not being available for RES. REG can have that hot garbage bid packet trip, TYVM for saving RES from being assigned that trip.

I also think SS needs a leveling mechanism beyond the REG WS pickup limit.

 

Now you are mixing trip coverage and methods of compensation. SS is trip coverage, PB days are compensation for trip coverage. RES get pay + PB (compensation) for a GS, QS, IA (trip coverage). Line gets pay and credit plus pay (compensation) for GS, QS, IA (trip coverage). GS, QS, IA are all premium steps of trip coverage that are compensated differently based on status line vs reserve. SS for line only is a discriminatory step of trip coverage, PB for reserves is a different method of compensation for steps of trip coverage also available to line.

The whole point of SS was to get lineholders to take trips before reserves could get GS with PB days. With the recent devaluation of PB days it is reasonable to expect SS for reserves.

 

I don't feel strongly either way about silver slip leveling, but I'm with you, most silver slips (in my category) are atrocious. They mostly get sniped by fairly senior guys and guess what? During that same footprint I'm usually able to green slip or quick slip a significantly better trip with only 1 or 2 operating legs. Those senior guys can keep that garbage, fine by me. There's a good chance they would've sniped the easy premium trip had they not had that silver albatross around their necks.