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05-11-2026 | 10:54 AM

#1231

Sputnik

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Joined: Mar 2007

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From: Petting Zoo

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebl14

I never saw an instructor wearing the lanyard either. I always wore mine into the lion’s den and I was the one being tested. I never understood why those guys can’t put the damn lanyard on. I think it would only take one or two influential instructors to start wearing the alpa contract swag if/when we get it to sway the other followers to support their union.

Wore mine the whole time. Never got even the slightest hint from anyone that I was ruffling feathers. But also saw very few other instructors join in. No idea why.

05-11-2026 | 10:58 AM

#1232

Puddytatt

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Joined: May 2022

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Quote:

Originally Posted by crewdawg

I think hating the game is what they're doing. My only problem with them is that they're not available to reserves. They should be available to reserves or they should go away.

They should also be available for WS or PS. While they are soaking and after they have soaked. If someone wants that trip for single pay, why block them out? Most likely no one will, but maybe someone does and now can't hold it because it goes senior to them as a silver slip. Win win for the individual pilot and the company for pay purposes.

05-11-2026 | 11:03 AM

#1233

ebl14

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Joined: Jun 2007

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From: 73N

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sputnik

Wore mine the whole time. Never got even the slightest hint from anyone that I was ruffling feathers. But also saw very few other instructors join in. No idea why.

That’s great, too bad the others didn’t get it.

05-11-2026 | 11:32 AM

#1234

SideStickMonkey

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Joined: Feb 2020

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Quote:

Originally Posted by crewdawg

That doesn't align with our premium pay scheme. Why would line holders get PB days?

Why would reserves get SS?

05-11-2026 | 11:39 AM

#1235

MJP27

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Joined: Sep 2014

Posts: 923

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trip7

Man y'all got some wild ideas:

SS leveling
get rid of SS
leveling for all premium pay with lookback
SS are terrible bid package trips nobody wants them

Every idea would have unintended consequences for credit surfers take advantage of. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Big picture, I don't think there is enough heartburn amongst the pilot group about SS to warrant any changes in the PWA.

SS leveling is a "wild idea?" You mean leveling it like all the other premium players we have is a wild idea. Surely not.

05-11-2026 | 11:51 AM

#1236

FangsF15

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Joined: Sep 2011

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey

Why would reserves get SS?

Because every other then of premium is available to Reserves.

Why NOT allow Res to get SS?

Once we ‘fix’ the coverage ladder, I suspect SS will be pretty rare though.

05-11-2026 | 11:54 AM

#1237

FangsF15

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Joined: Sep 2011

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trip7

Man y'all got some wild ideas:

SS leveling
get rid of SS
leveling for all premium pay with lookback
SS are terrible bid package trips nobody wants them

How does having a SS counter, or limiting SS to one per PCS run have unintended consequences? Not talking about an edge case, in general, how would that allow “credit surfers [to] take advantage of” the specific consequences of a SS counter?

05-11-2026 | 12:01 PM

#1238

crewdawg

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey

Why would reserves get SS?

Every other premium slip is available to them, why wouldn't they get a SS? Of course we all know the reason why, because it was designed to decrease PB days, which is why SS were a concession.

05-11-2026 | 12:12 PM

#1239

Gunfighter

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Joined: Apr 2007

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey

Then line holders should get PB days

This comes across as a misunderstanding of premium pay differences between reserve and line. A line holder gets double pay for a premium trip in most cases. A reserve gets pay above guarantee and a payback day in lieu of double pay.

How do you propose implementing payback days for a line holder? Would they get single pay and a payback day instead of double pay?

Reserve should have access to silver slips just like they have access to all other forms of premium pay via IA, GS and QS. SS is discriminatory against reserves.

05-11-2026 | 12:59 PM

#1240

Abouttime2fish

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Joined: Jul 2014

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From: MD88

Quote:

Originally Posted by FyrePilot

We should level by premium hours credited

Have it be on a rolling year basis.

GS, SS, QS. Every time you work extra is tracked.

Premium should go by seniority at the beginning of the year and then as it’s worked the person who is eligible and has not gotten any premium (or has the least amount) should go to the front of the line for the next time premium is available.

Wow. They can’t get swipe out sick to work, or pay the correct 23m7 pilot every time, but I’m sure they would get something as intractable as that to work fine…. /s