Openers today?
Yesterday | 03:00 PM
#731
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I really don’t understand DALPAs want to get a quick deal. We have SOOO many outstanding issues and grievances. They continue to redefine our contract almost weekly. I wouldn’t take a 30% raise if it didn’t include solving most of our outstanding grievances and issues where we are at a disagreement on.
Our chances of having them go in our favor are very low with the arbitration process (for a multitude of reasons I’m sure). The leverage we have currently is the ONLY way we get most of these issues solved in our favor. That will absolutely take time to iron out with the company (with iron clad plain English language and tons of examples in our PWA). There is no way it gets solved in a few weeks of negotiations.
I think the MEC could be in for a rude awakening if this narrow scope deal isn’t an absolute home run. While I don’t think this MEC group is anywhere near the TA1 crowd… I do think many in ALPA get pretty out of touch with being a regular line pilot. We will see. I doubt the company will even play ball and we will pivot to the long game anyway.
Our chances of having them go in our favor are very low with the arbitration process (for a multitude of reasons I’m sure). The leverage we have currently is the ONLY way we get most of these issues solved in our favor. That will absolutely take time to iron out with the company (with iron clad plain English language and tons of examples in our PWA). There is no way it gets solved in a few weeks of negotiations.
I think the MEC could be in for a rude awakening if this narrow scope deal isn’t an absolute home run. While I don’t think this MEC group is anywhere near the TA1 crowd… I do think many in ALPA get pretty out of touch with being a regular line pilot. We will see. I doubt the company will even play ball and we will pivot to the long game anyway.
Yesterday | 03:44 PM
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I really don’t understand DALPAs want to get a quick deal. We have SOOO many outstanding issues and grievances. They continue to redefine our contract almost weekly. I wouldn’t take a 30% raise if it didn’t include solving most of our outstanding grievances and issues where we are at a disagreement on.
Our chances of having them go in our favor are very low with the arbitration process (for a multitude of reasons I’m sure). The leverage we have currently is the ONLY way we get most of these issues solved in our favor. That will absolutely take time to iron out with the company (with iron clad plain English language and tons of examples in our PWA). There is no way it gets solved in a few weeks of negotiations.
I think the MEC could be in for a rude awakening if this narrow scope deal isn’t an absolute home run. While I don’t think this MEC group is anywhere near the TA1 crowd… I do think many in ALPA get pretty out of touch with being a regular line pilot. We will see. I doubt the company will even play ball and we will pivot to the long game anyway.
Our chances of having them go in our favor are very low with the arbitration process (for a multitude of reasons I’m sure). The leverage we have currently is the ONLY way we get most of these issues solved in our favor. That will absolutely take time to iron out with the company (with iron clad plain English language and tons of examples in our PWA). There is no way it gets solved in a few weeks of negotiations.
I think the MEC could be in for a rude awakening if this narrow scope deal isn’t an absolute home run. While I don’t think this MEC group is anywhere near the TA1 crowd… I do think many in ALPA get pretty out of touch with being a regular line pilot. We will see. I doubt the company will even play ball and we will pivot to the long game anyway.
IMHO, there is almost zero chance of a quick deal being reached. In a recent discussion with my rep, he put the odds at less than 10%. This is for the better. We need to improve ALL areas of the contract that need improvement prior to bartering our greatest leverage.
Yesterday | 03:45 PM
#734
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I really don’t understand DALPAs want to get a quick deal. We have SOOO many outstanding issues and grievances. They continue to redefine our contract almost weekly. I wouldn’t take a 30% raise if it didn’t include solving most of our outstanding grievances and issues where we are at a disagreement on.
Our chances of having them go in our favor are very low with the arbitration process (for a multitude of reasons I’m sure). The leverage we have currently is the ONLY way we get most of these issues solved in our favor. That will absolutely take time to iron out with the company (with iron clad plain English language and tons of examples in our PWA). There is no way it gets solved in a few weeks of negotiations.
I think the MEC could be in for a rude awakening if this narrow scope deal isn’t an absolute home run. While I don’t think this MEC group is anywhere near the TA1 crowd… I do think many in ALPA get pretty out of touch with being a regular line pilot. We will see. I doubt the company will even play ball and we will pivot to the long game anyway.
Our chances of having them go in our favor are very low with the arbitration process (for a multitude of reasons I’m sure). The leverage we have currently is the ONLY way we get most of these issues solved in our favor. That will absolutely take time to iron out with the company (with iron clad plain English language and tons of examples in our PWA). There is no way it gets solved in a few weeks of negotiations.
I think the MEC could be in for a rude awakening if this narrow scope deal isn’t an absolute home run. While I don’t think this MEC group is anywhere near the TA1 crowd… I do think many in ALPA get pretty out of touch with being a regular line pilot. We will see. I doubt the company will even play ball and we will pivot to the long game anyway.
Yesterday | 03:49 PM
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No not at all. Based on our opener and talking with my reps I don’t think our outstanding issues and grievances are part of the ask for this quicker TA avenue. IMO they absolutely need to be.
Yesterday | 03:51 PM
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The idea that we can sign a limited scope deal now that trades away all (or most) 23.M.7 leverage, then return to the table in 6 to 24 months and expect fruitful second-round negotiations is delusional. That’s Ryan Gumm’s dream scenario.
Yesterday | 04:09 PM
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Yesterday | 04:18 PM
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Agreed 100%.
IMHO, there is almost zero chance of a quick deal being reached. In a recent discussion with my rep, he put the odds at less than 10%. This is for the better. We need to improve ALL areas of the contract that need improvement prior to bartering our greatest leverage.
IMHO, there is almost zero chance of a quick deal being reached. In a recent discussion with my rep, he put the odds at less than 10%. This is for the better. We need to improve ALL areas of the contract that need improvement prior to bartering our greatest leverage.
Yesterday | 04:21 PM
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I think the idea is that we aren't the only ones who want immediate changes to the PWA. And that perhaps the company wants what they want more than we do. If everything was just ho hum I don't think the union would even approach the opener as a possible quick negotiation. They said they are prepared to go the traditional route, but nothing lost in trying to leverage the company's desire to get some things on their wish list if they are willing to give us some things in return.
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