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Yesterday | 04:22 PM
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The cost of 23.M.7 is astronomical. Management is stuck with it if no deal is reached — along with the operational implications. Their jobs are on the line because of it. Time is 100% on our side.
Yesterday | 04:51 PM
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I really don’t understand DALPAs want to get a quick deal. We have SOOO many outstanding issues and grievances. They continue to redefine our contract almost weekly. I wouldn’t take a 30% raise if it didn’t include solving most of our outstanding grievances and issues where we are at a disagreement on.
Our chances of having them go in our favor are very low with the arbitration process (for a multitude of reasons I’m sure). The leverage we have currently is the ONLY way we get most of these issues solved in our favor. That will absolutely take time to iron out with the company (with iron clad plain English language and tons of examples in our PWA). There is no way it gets solved in a few weeks of negotiations.
I think the MEC could be in for a rude awakening if this narrow scope deal isn’t an absolute home run. While I don’t think this MEC group is anywhere near the TA1 crowd… I do think many in ALPA get pretty out of touch with being a regular line pilot. We will see. I doubt the company will even play ball and we will pivot to the long game anyway.
Our chances of having them go in our favor are very low with the arbitration process (for a multitude of reasons I’m sure). The leverage we have currently is the ONLY way we get most of these issues solved in our favor. That will absolutely take time to iron out with the company (with iron clad plain English language and tons of examples in our PWA). There is no way it gets solved in a few weeks of negotiations.
I think the MEC could be in for a rude awakening if this narrow scope deal isn’t an absolute home run. While I don’t think this MEC group is anywhere near the TA1 crowd… I do think many in ALPA get pretty out of touch with being a regular line pilot. We will see. I doubt the company will even play ball and we will pivot to the long game anyway.
The chairman of the MEC is our former NC chair (for C19) The guys on the NC have been in on the previous at least 2 contracts. Relax, take a breath and let them do their work.
Yesterday | 04:52 PM
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Yesterday | 04:54 PM
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Agreed 100%.
IMHO, there is almost zero chance of a quick deal being reached. In a recent discussion with my rep, he put the odds at less than 10%. This is for the better. We need to improve ALL areas of the contract that need improvement prior to bartering our greatest leverage.
IMHO, there is almost zero chance of a quick deal being reached. In a recent discussion with my rep, he put the odds at less than 10%. This is for the better. We need to improve ALL areas of the contract that need improvement prior to bartering our greatest leverage.
They need a lifeline, we've got it, they're going to need it. Let the MEC and NC do their jobs.
Yesterday | 04:55 PM
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Yesterday | 05:35 PM
#747
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I disagree with you here. And it's not normal I disagree with you. Summer's coming. Management is looking at a total sh$# show if they don't agree to something relating to the issues we've seen these past few years.
They need a lifeline, we've got it, they're going to need it. Let the MEC and NC do their jobs.
They need a lifeline, we've got it, they're going to need it. Let the MEC and NC do their jobs.
Yesterday | 06:36 PM
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Today | 01:02 AM
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Uncertainty is the only constant in our industry. Negotiating in fear never works to a pilot group’s advantage.
The cost of 23.M.7 is astronomical. Management is stuck with it if no deal is reached — along with the operational implications. Their jobs are on the line because of it. Time is 100% on our side.
The cost of 23.M.7 is astronomical. Management is stuck with it if no deal is reached — along with the operational implications. Their jobs are on the line because of it. Time is 100% on our side.
Today | 01:08 AM
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There isn't a bigger factor than the ME situation and the scheduling issues that is going to impact the negotiations. Who knows how much pain the company is willing to endure, logic says a quick deal, egos and a company ran by small town Georgia thinking says something else.
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