It's a good strategy for you to continue to imply Captain Tucker is lying. It only makes his council's pilots more resolved to understand that you and alfaromeo have lied consistently from the start. Virtually every word you post is either a flat out lie, or so badly distorted it may as well be a lie. Tom's letter lays that all out very well.

Regardless of how this TA goes, it will be imperative to purge you, alfaromeo, O'Malley and every single person from the MEC administration. You have all failed so badly that I'm embarrassed to be associated with you. You've shamed this pilot group by your behavior and abuse of power.

Carl

Really? What do you expect Richard to say - if we reject the TA we are prepared to sweeten the pot? :rolleyes:

Bill, it seems it's you that don't understand the other sides point! Have you even tried to see that side and have a constructive argument or debate?
I'm not saying either side is right, but you seem so hard up to prove your point and get Yes votes that you are failing to at least acknowledge the possibility of the con argument.

If you vote yes to this TA you extend the life of DCI. With more large rj's you decrease the delta pilots leverage for future negotiations. Our current language, and current uneconomical 50 seater's are much more powerful than the language proposed.

My personal opinion is that if you think the 717s are tied to this deal you aren't smart enough to cast a vote for this TA.

Guys are posting photos of 717 markings already painted in msp.

Do you think southwest airlines is going to hinge their entire fleet plan on how a bunch of delta pilots vote?

I've personally flown with numerous captains who have had FAA jumpseaters that state flat out that the 717's are a done deal.

How many more clues do you guys need?

The painted lines for the 717 have been their for years! I wouldn't put too much thought into that....I noticed it first time I flew into MSP over 5 years ago.

So wait a second? Vote no and the multi-billion dollar DCI contract termination costs suddenly just vanish and DCI goes away? You can't just sunset DCI. You can't.

And if the 88 717s are a done deal, would you rather get nothing? Why not take your money?

Fact. If we create a new fleet of SNB aircraft, DCI will shrink by 20% plus (under the TA, and without).

How does that work?

blah.......

Well.. I am glad to know that the FAA has seen the contracts between BA and Delta, but either way I am glad that Delta was gracious enough to throw nearly a billion dollars our way for no other reason to keep 70 CRJ's 700s meanwhile limiting the number of 76 seaters they would have otherwise had (716+88=111 addiotnal 76 seaters, or to the 255 limit), giving us JV protection etc.

Yep, all makes complete sense. You have it all figured out. As I understand it there will be all sorts of elections later this year including the negotiators. I think you would be an excellent choice as you can provide second hand information from FAA jump seaters to the MEC and they will make a very informed decision based on this excellent intel and this will certainly lead to a superior contract.

Bill,

If the TA is voted down:
How many main line aircraft would DAL need to add to have 255 76 seaters?
If achieved, would ALL 102 70 seaters have to be parked?

If the TA is voted in favor:
Where does it say they have to reduce 50 seaters? I can't find it.

Thanks.

And if thats the case looking only at crew costs as you're doing, there is not a mainline aircraft they wouldn't operate cheaper than us.

So again, why not outsource the B717 Bill?

Why do you want to outsource the DC9-10 and not the DC9-30 sized airplanes?