Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1230423)

A couple of years ago I crunched some numbers and came up with a LGB pay scheme. Basically it would go up at 4% for the 1st 10 years then level at 3.5 for another 10 and then 3% after that. Some call it a "flattened scale". The advantage would be that it would give the FOs a quicker rise early in their careers hence more money to put away for retirement. I did not however crunch those numbers in consideration of the entire payroll because that is beyond my capabilities. My comparison at the time was strictly based on the equipment we have.. had on the property at the time, and a basic premise that one would spend 35% of his time on the 757/767.. based on fleet make up. To me it just doesn't make sense anymore to have to wait until you are 63 years old in order to see the big money, because TVM is way lost by then. We need to take advantage of that in some better way. But hey, as long as we have 34 whole airframes that pay vastly more than the rest of the entire fleet we are successful. :rolleyes: At least Carl Spackler will make $130,000+ more at the end of this agreement than he did before, so I gotta feel good about that. :rolleyes: HE has TVM.. you and I do not. 88Driver does not. Satchip, does not.. well, you get the picture.

Sorry for the rambling response. I can talk this much better than I can write about it.

One other thought. We currently give zero thought to QOL. One has to either decide to go for the money OR QOL.. LGB would make QOL a bigger priority.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1230423)

A couple of years ago I crunched some numbers and came up with a LGB pay scheme. Basically it would go up at 4% for the 1st 10 years then level at 3.5 for another 10 and then 3% after that. Some call it a "flattened scale". The advantage would be that it would give the FOs a quicker rise early in their careers hence more money to put away for retirement. I did not however crunch those numbers in consideration of the entire payroll because that is beyond my capabilities. My comparison at the time was strictly based on the equipment we have.. had on the property at the time, and a basic premise that one would spend 35% of his time on the 757/767.. based on fleet make up. To me it just doesn't make sense anymore to have to wait until you are 63 years old in order to see the big money, because TVM is way lost by then. We need to take advantage of that in some better way. But hey, as long as we have 34 whole airframes that pay vastly more than the rest of the entire fleet we are successful. :rolleyes: At least Carl Spackler will make $130,000+ more at the end of this agreement than he did before, so I gotta feel good about that. :rolleyes: HE has TVM.. you and I do not. 88Driver does not. Satchip, does not.. well, you get the picture.

Sorry for the rambling response. I can talk this much better than I can write about it.

One other thought. We currently give zero thought to QOL. One has to either decide to go for the money OR QOL.. LGB would make QOL a bigger priority.

Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog

Funny you bring this up today, since yesterday I got a textbook superfluous bill from an ER. Long story shortened.. Last month my two year old was out in the back yard playing on the playset and got torqued off about something (most likely big brother induced...). Being a two year old, he reverted to the best method he knew to express his displeasure which was to take and 8 foot header off the top of the playset.

Of course I was on a layover in Grand Rapids...

Of course, my wife scooped him up and took him to the ER where, after she presented her insurance card, he was given a thorough once-over, an X-ray, and a clean bill of health (Thank God...)

Worth every penny, and my wife and son (and his older brother) were treated very well throughout the whole ordeal at Kennestone Hospital.

All told, the ER visit cost me about $200, which I consider reasonable.

But... yesterday... a bill for $160ish showed up from the hospital for some kind of ear thing. Ask the wife about it, and she tells me the nurse, while examining my son, said something like, "Wow! He has a lot of ear wax in there. I'll go ahead and take care of that."

Of course, after insurance adjustments and the 80/20 split, the ear cleaning only cost us about $30, but how many uninsured ER patients do you think get cursory ear cleanings? I'm thinking somewhere between none and, well... none.

I actually have been relatively pleased with the HRA we are enrolled in, and I think Delta provides much better medical coverage than most companies. Health care costs are skyrocketing, and the healthcare industry is going to recoup their costs anywhere they can. You and I, as the gainfully employed middle-class are going to suffer the brunt of it.

Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1230277)

I've had this discussion with several Delta pilots recently. They see either pay banding or longevity pay as the primary solution to our training capacity problem when we hit 800+ retirements per year. They see it as one of the primary negotiating items the company will want in the next contract. Most pilots I talk with look at this favorably. Not sure about the unintended consequences, but that has been discussed on this forum previously.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1230262)

Grow up...

Originally Posted by Jesse (Post 1230494)

Lighten up, Francis.

Originally Posted by Jesse (Post 1230494)

Lighten up, Francis.

Originally Posted by jherk02 (Post 1230615)

All my previous vaccinations have been with the military, therefore they are all logged on a computer generated DD Form. Now I'm about to start flying internationally. Do I have to get it transcribed into the yellow international vaccination log like I used to have? Anyone out there dealt with this before?

Thanks.

Originally Posted by dragon (Post 1230619)

Only one they have cared about was the Yellow Fever. But keep a copy of the others or have base medical transcribe to a yellow card if you're concerned.