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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
(Post 1194546)
ftb, I don't have the time/desire to refute each point, but I'll take this one.
Current SWA rate is $216 on the only airplane they fly, the B-737, and 2/3rds of their jets are -700s or above. Our 1/1/13 rate on that same airplane is $204.47, BUT... we get 14% DC on top of that. For them to get 14% total going into the 401k, they need to put 7% of their own money, so... DAL 737 = $204.47 into paycheck and $28.63 ($204.47 x 14%) into 401k/DC SWA 737 = $200.88 (216 x .93) into paycheck and $30.24 (216 x 14%) into 401k Or looked at it another way, for a SWA pilot to make MORE W2 than a DAL guy, he would have to limit his 401k contribution to 5%. Then his W2 is 216 x .95 = $205.20, but then his 401k is only $21.60. How many greenslips does the DAL guy have to fly to get there? How many days/month does he have to work to get there? Bow out if you want, but from my math, you cant get there from here. |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1194578)
So, how does playing math games with "payrates" accomplish the $246K average 12 day/month averge SWA capt W-2?
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Correct me if I'm wrong.
The company has stated at various Q&A's that getting our debt down to 10 billion will save the company between 300-500 MILLION per year in interest. Someone stated that the value of the contract is 400 million per year (I don't know how that is figured with such deep scope issues, but that's what I've heard). So, does this pilot group feel that they are worth less that the interest that Delta is going to save by paying down its debt? Guys (and girls), I'm an optimist. I'm a pro Delta guy. I think rationally, not emotionally. IMO, this TA is a slap in the face. Each person has their threshold for voting yes, but this TA doesn't meet mine. I'm glad that 5 MEC voters had the integrity to say NO. |
Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
(Post 1194580)
Please show me a document by a reputable source that shows that to be factual? The APC published rate is $216/hr.
I believe the source was SWAPA. |
Originally Posted by flyallnite
(Post 1194584)
I believe the source was SWAPA.
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
(Post 1194580)
Please show me a document by a reputable source that shows that to be factual? The APC published rate is $216/hr. My math was using verifiable data, not sales brochures produced by their union as they screwed the ATN guys
So he takes the bow out position.:eek: Oh and he admits he lost our bet. |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1194587)
So he takes the bow out position.:eek:
Oh and he admits he lost our bet. And I'm ready to debate math, when you can provide a verifiable document backing up your bogus claims, scambo. Man up. |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1194572)
Check,
I think the fleeting opportunity has nothing to do with RJs or 717's. I still don't think it's been hinted at. I'm thinking it has to do with the next round of industry consolidation, and needing to have the companies financial ducks in a row. I also think this TA provides integration protections that do not exist in our current CBA. Could be necessary to get those protections in place before a deal is done. |
Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
(Post 1194588)
Puleeze. BTW, the bet was that ALPA (not SWAPA) would throw them under the bus. There is ZERO evidence that was the case.
And I'm ready to debate math, when you can provide a verifiable document backing up your bogus claims, scambo. Man up. You've seen it I've seen it. If their union put out a bogus document, I guess that's about all our union has been putting out too. In our case there is undoubtedly more of that bogusness to come. |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 1194590)
Where are you seeing any new "integration protections" in this TA?
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