First, fairwinds to you, sir. This isn't the DAL forum. You don't lose priviledges because you are inactive on the list. Come back for underboob when you've completed all your honeydo retirement tasks.


When we had the first early out back in 96, it took months for the Company to assign retirement dates. It seemed like we held guys forever. I guess they are trying to assign dates prior to the deadline so no one removes their bid due to lack of information.

What I'm really astonished about is the efficiency of DAL to provide this information so quickly. What's up with that?

 

I would bet it's because they know we are overstaffed in September.

 

Wrong. They may want it to be that way, and we may enable it by doing just that, but while on mandatory fed rest you are under NO OBLIGATION. None. No schedule check, nothing.

They can give you a trip that reports 1 minute after your rest but ONLY if they give it to you before you are released for that rest. If you go into that rest period with nothing on your line, the ONLY thing you can get is default long call starting at the end of your mandatory rest. Call your reps and scheduling supervisors to verify and they will tell you the same.

 

Are you done with your briefing yet?

 

You are free from ALL duty. No exceptions. Call a different rep. I went through that very thing and eventually got it straightened out. No obligation. They can't just let you go on duty one minute after the rest, with you not knowing what or if you will be working, and then use the time between the end of your rest and the beginning of whatever they give you as retroactive rest. Some pilot pushers in scheduling and some sympathisers in the union think its OK for it to be that way but its not. Call Curtis at ALPA and ALL your reps until you get clarification on this.

Now technically you CAN get a 3PM short call after your mandatory rest ends at 11AM...however you are then on duty from 11AM, since that was when the company expected you to check your schedule. Be very careful using 3PM as your duty day in that case as I can't see how that could possibly be legal if you go past 16 hours after 11AM.

 

"12 hour heads up" is long call reserve, not rest.

From When Scheduling Calls:
Rest, as defined by the FAA, means having no present responsibility for work. In 1999, the FAA required that the applicable rest requirements be applied to domestic reserve pilots. Therefore, time spent on long or short call in domestic operations, or performing any duty for Delta, e.g., DH, is not rest for the purposes of domestic flying. As a domestic reserve pilot, you cannot be made to call or answer a phone call or beeper during a rest period, although you can voluntarily answer a call or make contact with the Company. Also, a pilot on layover is not responsible to be contactable by the company

 

Congratulations Sir. Sorry to hear you won't get the last landing, but here's to a great career for you. I'll be one of the first to say Thank You for the bump. Happy Retirement.

 

Don't want to argue with anyone, but here's what I was told by SL (Sched Comm Chair) in Dec. 2010. Maybe it's been redefined.You will note that nowhere does it say you have to check your schedule during the 24 hr of rest, but you could be on the hook as early as 5 hr following the rest.

 

maddogmax,

You are correct! Congratulations!

 

But you can't be "on the hook" at the end of the rest (or even 5 hours later) if they want you to be, yet also be at rest during that same 5 hours if they want you to be, before knowing what they want you to be.

The 5 hour/3 hour thing is fine and legal in and of itself, but you can't look back retroactively at that time as a 5 hour continuation of your rest just to pad your max duty day for scheduling's convenience. So by that logic, they can do the 5 hour thing all they want, but you would then have an 11 hour duty day max to be in compliance with the FAR's.