Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-17-2012 | 08:45 AM
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I guess it depends on how you define 'bigger'.
I see 737's replacing 757's and 767's (Domestic routes)
I see 787's eventually replacing 767ER's (a wash, size wise?) but maybe replacing 777's in 10 years, and 747's maybe sooner than that. The last I heard, the 787 is about the size of a 767ER, not the size of a 777 or 747.
I see the 717's as our only 'growth' airplane. Do we call that bigger? It is bigger than a 50 or 76 seat RJ, no doubt, but it's the smallest 'manline' airframe out there.
I don't see that as bigger, just more small narrow body flying with the 737's ((-900) and 717's.
I don't see Bigger coming any time soon, until we order and take delivery of something as big as the 777-300 and 747, I'm not holding my breath waiting for those. In the mean time, we will have pilots displaced off the 767/757 to the 737-900.
I see 737's replacing 757's and 767's (Domestic routes)
I see 787's eventually replacing 767ER's (a wash, size wise?) but maybe replacing 777's in 10 years, and 747's maybe sooner than that. The last I heard, the 787 is about the size of a 767ER, not the size of a 777 or 747.
I see the 717's as our only 'growth' airplane. Do we call that bigger? It is bigger than a 50 or 76 seat RJ, no doubt, but it's the smallest 'manline' airframe out there.
I don't see that as bigger, just more small narrow body flying with the 737's ((-900) and 717's.
I don't see Bigger coming any time soon, until we order and take delivery of something as big as the 777-300 and 747, I'm not holding my breath waiting for those. In the mean time, we will have pilots displaced off the 767/757 to the 737-900.
(Also, the 737-900 seats MORE than the 320 and the MD-90 seats MORE than the DC-9.)
07-17-2012 | 09:07 AM
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I believe it is only up through 3250 that are up for replacement... which is around 40 airplanes.
07-17-2012 | 09:08 AM
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The 150 they operate is 25 more than the end state 125, so with the 61-70 new metric to gain 76's, they have to retire 4.6 50's per 76. (short roughly 5 airframes).
The company could only go to 218 76's if JA plays hardball.
Interesting..... But it could be JA just posturing publicly while knowing behind the scenes they will make the trades. Later SKYW will come out and say how through negotiations they were able to "improve the magins" over their current fleeting and provide "better returns for the shareholders and for a longer time period" while the plan was the same all along.
The company could only go to 218 76's if JA plays hardball.
Interesting..... But it could be JA just posturing publicly while knowing behind the scenes they will make the trades. Later SKYW will come out and say how through negotiations they were able to "improve the magins" over their current fleeting and provide "better returns for the shareholders and for a longer time period" while the plan was the same all along.
Which begs the question: "If Skywest takes delivery of an overweight MRJ and Delta is forced to cancel their DCI contracts, who will Delta use as a commuter out of SLC?" As far as I can tell, we rely on them A LOT out of SLC.
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07-17-2012 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I cut and pasted below the pertinent paragraph from the article BB posted.
"SkyWest subsidiaries SkyWest Airlines and ExpressJet operate about 90 and 60 Bombardier CRJ200 aircraft , respectively, for Delta, under 15-year contracts that Kraupp says do not expire until 2020. Kraupp is emphatic that Delta does not have any rights in the current contract to tell SkyWest to cease the 50-seater operations before the agreements expire."
Denny
What Delta does have the ability to do is bounce their 50 seat fleet from domicile to domicile every 90 days for the next two years at a 75% reduction in block hours. Think they can't cease the 50 seat operation early? This guy's just trying to keep the stock price from imploding anyway.
07-17-2012 | 09:19 AM
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07-17-2012 | 09:19 AM
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What was the instantaneous C2K scope violation you refer too?
The brilliance of the scope section of our contract is that it is front loaded in the Delta pilots favor, if DAL can't comply, then they can't get more 76-seat aircraft, but all the other scope bennies, such as reducing the number of possible 76-seat aircraft, elimination of turboprop exemption, tightened domestic and international code share, global JV protections, improved furlough protection are still in our contract. Plus we get improved pay, sick leave, reserve pay etc.
The brilliance of the scope section of our contract is that it is front loaded in the Delta pilots favor, if DAL can't comply, then they can't get more 76-seat aircraft, but all the other scope bennies, such as reducing the number of possible 76-seat aircraft, elimination of turboprop exemption, tightened domestic and international code share, global JV protections, improved furlough protection are still in our contract. Plus we get improved pay, sick leave, reserve pay etc.
The instant problem was the DCI order for 500 jets prior to C2K. To maintain the ratios, mainline would have had to grow by 100% to remain in compliance with the arriving RJ's. Did anyone really think mainline was getting another 700 jets while DCI was getting 500 for a total fleet of around 2,100? It was nonsense and of course as a job protection device C2K scope failed immediately.
Thursday, March 30, 2000
BY MIKE BOYER
The Cincinnati Enquirer .... Comair and Atlantic Southeast Airlines, the Delta Connection carriers, Wednesday announced the largest regional jet order in history for up to 500 aircraft in the next decade.
BY MIKE BOYER
The Cincinnati Enquirer .... Comair and Atlantic Southeast Airlines, the Delta Connection carriers, Wednesday announced the largest regional jet order in history for up to 500 aircraft in the next decade.
Would be better for management if we insourced that flying at did it ourselves.
07-17-2012 | 09:20 AM
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Doh! I'm awake now I swear.
What Delta does have the ability to do is bounce their 50 seat fleet from domicile to domicile every 90 days for the next two years at a 75% reduction in block hours. Think they can't cease the 50 seat operation early? This guy's just trying to keep the stock price from imploding anyway.
What Delta does have the ability to do is bounce their 50 seat fleet from domicile to domicile every 90 days for the next two years at a 75% reduction in block hours. Think they can't cease the 50 seat operation early? This guy's just trying to keep the stock price from imploding anyway.
Well, time will tell! I don't think Delta Management would have agreed to the TA/new contract scope unless they were assured of meeting the restrictions. I know what some will say (about a LOA for instance), you don't need to say it!
I highly doubt DALPA will give in on this.Denny
07-17-2012 | 09:30 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Based on past practice we can assume SkyWest and Expressjet are the same for purposes of scope compliance.
07-17-2012 | 09:33 AM
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Well, time will tell! I don't think Delta Management would have agreed to the TA/new contract scope unless they were assured of meeting the restrictions. I know what some will say (about a LOA for instance), you don't need to say it! I highly doubt DALPA will give in on this.
Denny
I highly doubt DALPA will give in on this.Denny
Furloughs could have been avoided entirely during the past decade.
I like that our current agreement front end loads the compliance language. The rub is, we do not know who Skywest ordered the MRJ's for, or for that matter what Republic is up to. We used to have the lead time on aircraft orders to estimate compliance by. Now we are caught in a more reactive environment because of the pure momentum (size and velocity) our so called "partners" have.
We really need to stop outsourcing.
07-17-2012 | 09:39 AM
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The 150 they operate is 25 more than the end state 125, so with the 61-70 new metric to gain 76's, they have to retire 4.6 50's per 76. (short roughly 5 airframes).
The company could only go to 218 76's if JA plays hardball.
Interesting..... But it could be JA just posturing publicly while knowing behind the scenes they will make the trades. Later SKYW will come out and say how through negotiations they were able to "improve the magins" over their current fleeting and provide "better returns for the shareholders and for a longer time period" while the plan was the same all along.
The company could only go to 218 76's if JA plays hardball.
Interesting..... But it could be JA just posturing publicly while knowing behind the scenes they will make the trades. Later SKYW will come out and say how through negotiations they were able to "improve the magins" over their current fleeting and provide "better returns for the shareholders and for a longer time period" while the plan was the same all along.
I'm just pointing out, when Delta's in a corner Jerry usually wins by a knock out.
Eagle and their nemesis Trans States / GoJets will make this unpredictable since they are a lot less logical than Jerry Atkin is. Of course, if Delta goes that direction the likely destination in New York is not LaGuardia or Kennedy, it is downtown at the Bankruptcy Court.
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