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Old 08-15-2012 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Well, the R&I guy says there are 65 mandatory retirements by 12/31/13 that did NOT take the early retirement sooooo he says there will be 256 retirements by 12/31/13.

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Old 08-15-2012 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Anybody else see this....

From Council 66

At the regular MEC meeting in CVG today, the MEC passed a resolution granting a refund of dues money paid into the SMRA account. More than $7 million will be returned to the Delta pilots.
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
That goes to all current and former pilots. Kind of crazy to do this unless they don't want it sitting there.
I'm not a big fan, I'd prefer it stay in the "war chest", we WILL need one again, maybe very soon.

When we need to rebuild the SMRA "war chest" then all of a sudden the "ALPA is taking more of my money" complaining will start up and be really annoying.
Old 08-15-2012 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
All 88 are growth aircraft to the mainline. If the economy collapses and the company plans a large decrease in overall capacity then we will see fewer pilots jobs. Regardless of the economy however we will have 88 more airframes at the mainline. How anyone can believe that is a bad thing utterly eludes me. The key to the 717's is they are not a increase in capacity but a shift in flying from DCI to the mainline. That is far more viable long term flying then planned future fleet increases given the economic situation. No matter how the economy plays out the 717's are a huge boost to the mainline.
I guess for some the glass is half full, for others its half empty, for many APC posters its cracking and leaking.
If the 717s are all growth, and we better all hope they are all growth, why then strike the mainline fleet size requirements to grow the 76-seat fleet from section 1? I mean if it's going to be all growth anyways just leave the mainline fleet size requirements. You could drop the 3:1 language and just replace it with the tables tieing 76 seat fleet growth to the 717s.

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fwiw, I ran across this again from the same email from 2 months ago: if the early out under performs with say around 100 pilots taking it (and all things being equal) then hiring in spring 2014. if 250-300 pilots take it then we should be able to hire in summer or fall 2013.

Of course, that's assuming things don't drastically change in the direction and size of the company through a merger.
Old 08-15-2012 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Well we are starting to see the bottom WRT to increasing PRASM through capacity reduction. IOW, shrinking to profitability isn't working anymore. Taking that into consideration it will be interesting to see how RA and the gang respond to the LCCs refusal to join in on the latest fare increases.
Or the many hundreds of domestic narrowbody capacity groth aircraft coming on line in the coming years from the so called LCC's and start ups. JB alone is planning on a stunning 50% increase in their already dominant BOS presence and DL's answer is to allow UAL into terminal A to make room for it because the alternative would be to actually use the gates to full capacity and we can't do that. Then there's the dual subsidized foreign EGO airlines that will dump super premium widebodies into just about every large US city simply because they over ordered and have no place to put them.

Will DL keep culling capacity to fund all of that, or will DL eventually respond by competiting ruthlessly even if it means a reduction in Q over Q paper numbers for a while?
Old 08-15-2012 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
I'm not a big fan, I'd prefer it stay in the "war chest", we WILL need one again, maybe very soon.

When we need to rebuild the SMRA "war chest" then all of a sudden the "ALPA is taking more of my money" complaining will start up and be really annoying.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Good grief. Why anybody does ALPA work is beyond me, but I thank them for it.
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Or the many hundreds of domestic narrowbody capacity groth aircraft coming on line in the coming years from the so called LCC's and start ups. JB alone is planning on a stunning 50% increase in their already dominant BOS presence and DL's answer is to allow UAL into terminal A to make room for it because the alternative would be to actually use the gates to full capacity and we can't do that. Then there's the dual subsidized foreign EGO airlines that will dump super premium widebodies into just about every large US city simply because they over ordered and have no place to put them.

Will DL keep culling capacity to fund all of that, or will DL eventually respond by competiting ruthlessly even if it means a reduction in Q over Q paper numbers for a while?
If Delta had JB CASM we would be growing rapidly. We don't have JB CASM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I did too but for that to happen the world need to have confidence in world currency. For that to happen you need better fiscal policies.
And we will have neither for quite a while. That said, people will still fly, and even if less, we have to figure out how to compete and win instead of funding fantasy capacity growth for ponzi scheme airlines in permanent growth mode.
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[QUOTE=forgot to bid;1245997]If the 717s are all growth, and we better all hope they are all growth, why then strike the mainline fleet size requirements to grow the 76-seat fleet from section 1? I mean if it's going to be all growth anyways just leave the mainline fleet size requirements. You could drop the 3:1 language and just replace it with the tables tieing 76 seat fleet growth to the 717s.

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We replaced it with a block hour ratio. Had we kept the fleet number instead it would have been very simply with the number of aircraft coming for the company to pump and dump the mainline fleet. They would then have also had access to a greater number of 76 seaters.
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Originally Posted by groundstop
The TA passed, you can stop the sell job. It's like my car salesman showing up to my house asking me what it's going to take to get me in the car that I already bought... or should I say the car that was forced on me.

We'll get em next time boys!
Your right, The 717's are very bad for the mainline. We should give them back to improve things.
Old 08-15-2012 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
If the economy collapses and the company plans a large decrease in overall capacity then we will see fewer pilots jobs.
Keep in mind the outsourced lift, in addition to being preferred by the company and magically "debt free" is in the form of iron clad long term deals with trillion dollar penalties for breaking, while mainline lift is extremely fungible in comparison. If more capacity cuts are decided on, they will have to come out of mainline because that's how its set up. As some have pointed out, there is plenty of flex within the MBR for domestic and the insane 3 year no floor/quick snapshot AF/KLM JV. We are the shock absorbers, now more than ever.

And then there's mergers. Except Hawaiian, which would pretty much be a plug and play, anything else could equate to significant DL reductions, in some cases right after a very unfavorable relative integration of the whole with subsequent cuts disproportionately effecting the new PMDL side.
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