Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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It seems this LOA probably ought to meet the criteria for MEMRAT in addition to input upfront, actually.
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With the new extra x-day implemented in October for reserve pilots, I wonder how they are calculating this? I was almost sure my category was 20% but it's one of the extra x-day "no" categories.
What are they looking at? The category list vs the estimated lines?
What are they looking at? The category list vs the estimated lines?
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There are lots of things that will prevent what you think will happen. I am not worried about it. Even if they go to the 48 hour layover they run a much greater risk of getting the flight canceled. I have been told one jet laid down in Europe costs the company 250K. They will also have to pay both pilots credit for the extra day. On some trips the credit for the CA and FO would almost match the cost of just putting the extra pilot onboard. They also will require more reserves if they go to all 4 day trips and have fewer pilots available for GS or WS when weather wipes out NY. They would double their hotel costs. On top of all that as you mention are contract does not allow it.
AA pilots' contract has been abrogated by the judge this afternoon.
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2012/09/judge-lets-american-airlines-toss-out-its-pilots-contract.html/
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2012/09/judge-lets-american-airlines-toss-out-its-pilots-contract.html/
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Sailing,
First the 48 hr layo rule is one way to domesticate a pilot. It allows nine hrs of block. There are a few ways to reroute to efficiency on this sort of thing too. Yes, the nine hrs is hard time, and as you know as a NYC ER pilot there are many routes to JFK that fall well under that. A diversion is always a possibility, and one I would hope that DAL chooses to not make a major event by keeping IRO's on all flights over 8 hrs. It comes down to a math problem for their position and what they want from our PWA.
We can add a IRO when it looks like there is going to be a need on the Westbound leg; ie, NYC weather in two days, weather in Northern Europe ect. We could also DH that IRO over and they could put him up in Europe or Asia as a SC/LC pilot in our AMR and CDG ops plus a few other places. I would be watching for changes in the PWA that may allow that sort of thing.
You may say its outlandish, but rerouteing and out of the box thinking is exactly how this could be a jobs killer. Yes, the FT/DT is layered, but there are ways to make a pilot fly 9 hrs westbound. Yes, the current PWA prevents any ocean crossing over eight hrs from not going augmented, but that is a major ticket item. One that to me is not negotiable. We are currently protected from this, and IMO need to strengthen it. Ala the Caribbean turns.
Another front that concerns me is ULH pilot staffing. What does a 12+ hr flight via the FT/DT require versus what we staff on each of those flight? Could we see ULH rules that we currently enjoy changed? What could that do to staffing? Staffing in each seat?
The areas that could be jobs gainers are:
How we pay reserve pilots and rotation guarantee once assigned a trip. Reroutes will deal with many of the duty limit issues, and this is a sure fire way to make it net positive in that department.
We also are going to have to find a new normal wrt to the needed min time off per week that the FT/DT requires.
There are many nuggets that I am sure the scheduling and negotiation committee are looking at as areas that could cost pilots jobs, or pilot staffing gains. We just need to be very careful on what we agree to.
First the 48 hr layo rule is one way to domesticate a pilot. It allows nine hrs of block. There are a few ways to reroute to efficiency on this sort of thing too. Yes, the nine hrs is hard time, and as you know as a NYC ER pilot there are many routes to JFK that fall well under that. A diversion is always a possibility, and one I would hope that DAL chooses to not make a major event by keeping IRO's on all flights over 8 hrs. It comes down to a math problem for their position and what they want from our PWA.
We can add a IRO when it looks like there is going to be a need on the Westbound leg; ie, NYC weather in two days, weather in Northern Europe ect. We could also DH that IRO over and they could put him up in Europe or Asia as a SC/LC pilot in our AMR and CDG ops plus a few other places. I would be watching for changes in the PWA that may allow that sort of thing.
You may say its outlandish, but rerouteing and out of the box thinking is exactly how this could be a jobs killer. Yes, the FT/DT is layered, but there are ways to make a pilot fly 9 hrs westbound. Yes, the current PWA prevents any ocean crossing over eight hrs from not going augmented, but that is a major ticket item. One that to me is not negotiable. We are currently protected from this, and IMO need to strengthen it. Ala the Caribbean turns.
Another front that concerns me is ULH pilot staffing. What does a 12+ hr flight via the FT/DT require versus what we staff on each of those flight? Could we see ULH rules that we currently enjoy changed? What could that do to staffing? Staffing in each seat?
The areas that could be jobs gainers are:
How we pay reserve pilots and rotation guarantee once assigned a trip. Reroutes will deal with many of the duty limit issues, and this is a sure fire way to make it net positive in that department.
We also are going to have to find a new normal wrt to the needed min time off per week that the FT/DT requires.
There are many nuggets that I am sure the scheduling and negotiation committee are looking at as areas that could cost pilots jobs, or pilot staffing gains. We just need to be very careful on what we agree to.
I've been burned over, and over, and over by interpretations on what a proposed change might yield in catual results. I've come to prefer language that does what I hope for, vs. language that sounds like it might work for me, depending on who is interpreting.
It's a post-racial world out there. I'm comfortable with black-and-white cohabitating, especially in contractual language.
I hope this Oct 1 elimination of trip parking really works. I'm all for seniority being seniority, but trip parking is unethical and end runs the system.
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AA pilots' contract has been abrogated by the judge this afternoon.
Judge lets American Airlines toss out its pilots contract | Airline Biz Blog
Judge lets American Airlines toss out its pilots contract | Airline Biz Blog
Not trying to throw gas on a fire here but can someone explain trip parking. From what I've read on here is someone dropping their trip and then picking it back up. If you drop and then pick back up do you get it at premium pay? If so I can definitely see the reason it ruffles feathers
Trip parking doesn't generate premium pay. It's a way around the white-slip (straight pay open time) pickup limit, which is usually around 82-85 hours. Pilot A gives one of his trips to a Pilot B (via a swap with friend transaction) so that pilot A's credit will be low enough to allow him to pick up an open trip at straight pay. Pilot B then gives Pilot A the original trip back, putting him up into high numbers, above the white slip pickup limit. This works because swaps among friends are not subject to the white slip limit. Works especially well in international categories with lots of deadhead time, because you can credit 120+ hours in a month without hitting flight time limits.
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