You have said it yourself that WE don't make the aircraft purchase decisions.

Absent a contract could the company have done exactly what it did? Yes.

Then why did the company come to us and add $1B to our contract, allow us to establish hard caps at DCI, reduce the max number of 76-seat aircraft that could be authorized at DCI, require a reduction in aircraft at DCI, tighten domestic and international code share language, establish global JV protections, etc.?

Maybe the answer is the most obvious. The one staring you right in the face with the company's SEC filing; "new pilot agreement critical to this effort."

09-07-2012 | 12:46 PM

#109722

76drvr

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Quote:

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

You seem to think that 325 jets above 51 seats is no big deal and all that matters is the 76-seater. As if to say the 76 seater is as much a threat as a B1900, E-120 or CRJ-200?

The 70 seaters are a big deal because... their big.

That's why I'm glad we limited the number of 70-seaters from unlimited, down to 102. BTW, the 76-seater is a big deal, as is the number of flights over 900sm, glad to see that we effectively reduced those also.

09-07-2012 | 12:49 PM

#109723

76drvr

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

But you said reduce the number of 76 seaters... We have 153 now and that is maxed out until mainline gets above 767 airplanes.

The PWA now provides a segway to growing them without increasing the mainline fleet count above 767 AND without parking 1:1 70 seaters to get there.

But, yeah... you're right. 223 is less than 153, right?

The max number of 76-seat aircraft that could be authorized has been dramatically reduced, as has the number of 70-seat aircraft. Now they are limited to 102 70-seat airacaft, vs an unlimited number.

The end result of all of this is fewer seats at DCI, a larger percentage of Delta system block hours at mainline.

09-07-2012 | 12:51 PM

#109724

johnso29

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From: B757/767

Quote:

Originally Posted by 76drvr

70 seaters were NOT unlimited under the previous contract!!!!! Large RJs(that's 76 seat AND 70 seat aircraft) were LIMITED to 255. Off those 255, 153 were permitted to be 76 seaters. 70 seat RJs were NOT unlimited!!!

09-07-2012 | 12:56 PM

#109725

LocoLizer

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Man, this thread is stupid long and I don't want to go back and read forty - fifty pages of information that I don't need so forgive a question that may have already been asked...Does anyone know how long the application window will be open this time?

09-07-2012 | 12:56 PM

#109726

80ktsClamp

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From: Poodle Whisperer

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnso29

I think he hasn't found the off button to this thing:

09-07-2012 | 12:57 PM

#109727

80ktsClamp

Da Hudge

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From: Poodle Whisperer

Quote:

Originally Posted by LocoLizer

The application window has been open since Dec 2006... it is always open.

09-07-2012 | 01:00 PM

#109728

boog123

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From: Capt

Quote:

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Ok, lets change the direction of the discussion.

What Items do you want improved or changed in our current PWA?

We may have more than just the FT/DT LOA to improve our PWA across multiple sections, and now is the time to start forward looking on what items we want to pinpoint and then discuss.

No more FPL for people who aren't on the MEC, selling the future TA's.

09-07-2012 | 01:13 PM

#109729

dragon

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From: Dismayed

Quote:

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Ok, lets change the direction of the discussion.

Here is the question proposed; What Items do you want improved or changed in our current PWA?

We may have more than just the FT/DT LOA to improve our PWA across multiple sections, and now is the time to start forward looking on what items we want to pinpoint and then discuss.

Please,

It doesn't matter what we want. It's all about what ALPA thinks we need. They will do the thinking for us and they'll do a great job selling it to us.

The last paragraph was mostly t-i-c. Like T said "I'm bored" and thought I'd tee this one up. I will say, I won't waste time filling out a survey and while I enjoyed the generally good debate (lawn chair excluded), we are a small yet vocal group who take the time to research and discuss. The vast majority (62% I think) just want to fly their trips, go home and hope when they retire the CPO says "WHO?".

09-07-2012 | 01:14 PM

#109730

Timbo

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From: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .

Quote:

Originally Posted by DALFA

Question:

Everyone i've spoken to seems to be really happy with their Serengeti sunglasses so I went to the Stopover store in MSP down by the lounge and they had the display of sunglasses. So I tried them on and all their frames seem to be quite small (i've got a big head). Anyone know if the store down in ATL by the lounge on A concourse has a Serengeti display with large frames? If now...any suggestions on a good place to go look at them in the NYC area?

Thanx.

I've got about 4 pairs of them, 2 for me, 2 for wife/daughter. I bought them all at WalMart for half the price they wanted in the ATL A concourse store, but that was about 6+ years ago, I'm still wearing two of those pairs, one I keep in my Bombay bag for work, the other I wear daily when at home. Oh, and when my wife broke her first pair, Walmart exchanged it, for free.

I think I paid about $50 at Walmart, vs. over $100 at the pilot store. Again, this was 6+ years ago, not sure what they cost now, or if Walmart still has them.

I do like them for both driving and flying. I have much darker sunglasses I wear when sailing and bike riding.